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		<title>Comment on Three UK Protests to Mark the 10th Anniversary of Shaker Aamer&#8217;s Arrival at Guantánamo by Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome, Nancy. I appreciate your support, and that of others who care. I just wish there were more of us. I still do, even after six years have told me not to expect much from my fellow citizens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Nancy. I appreciate your support, and that of others who care. I just wish there were more of us. I still do, even after six years have told me not to expect much from my fellow citizens!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three UK Protests to Mark the 10th Anniversary of Shaker Aamer&#8217;s Arrival at Guantánamo by Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy Vining Van Ness wrote:

Thank you for coming to rally us around this cause and for all the work you do and have done for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Vining Van Ness wrote:</p>
<p>Thank you for coming to rally us around this cause and for all the work you do and have done for years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three UK Protests to Mark the 10th Anniversary of Shaker Aamer&#8217;s Arrival at Guantánamo by Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Nancy. Good to hear from you, and keep up the good work. It was great to be with you in New York last month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Nancy. Good to hear from you, and keep up the good work. It was great to be with you in New York last month.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three UK Protests to Mark the 10th Anniversary of Shaker Aamer&#8217;s Arrival at Guantánamo by Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Facebook, Nancy Vining Van Ness wrote:

Shameful. He must be released along with all the others who have been cleared (along with most of the rest who should be cleared).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Facebook, Nancy Vining Van Ness wrote:</p>
<p>Shameful. He must be released along with all the others who have been cleared (along with most of the rest who should be cleared).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Life After Guantánamo: The Suffering of the Uighurs in Palau by Andy Worthington</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2012/02/07/life-after-guantanamo-the-suffering-of-the-uighurs-in-palau/comment-page-1/#comment-93709</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks arcticredriver, for the very considered responses as usual. Your research into Bisher&#039;s case throws up some interesting observations. As I was reading through, I was thinking that, yes, the US wants to impose conditions, but countries are not generally prepared to do so, which has been part of the problem when it comes to Yemen, for example. I was also thinking how another huge and under-reported problem for prisoners in need of a new home is that the US authorities have shown prospective host countries the military files, full of lies and exaggerations, that WikiLeaks released last year, with their alarmist talk of &quot;medium risk&quot; and &quot;high risk&quot; etc., which wasn&#039;t always conducive to resettlement plans.
I also note that just two Tunisians were sent to Italy, not three, but that it was on the very specific basis that they would be prosecuted, and that whole episode was shameful.
As for Palau and Bermuda and citizenship issues, that may just have been accidental. Primarily, Obama was desperate to get them out of Guantanamo in case the Supreme Court ruled in their favor (he needn&#039;t have worried, as the Supreme Court is now officially spineless).
And finally, I agree re: offering jobs to cleared prisoners. That would be excellent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks arcticredriver, for the very considered responses as usual. Your research into Bisher&#8217;s case throws up some interesting observations. As I was reading through, I was thinking that, yes, the US wants to impose conditions, but countries are not generally prepared to do so, which has been part of the problem when it comes to Yemen, for example. I was also thinking how another huge and under-reported problem for prisoners in need of a new home is that the US authorities have shown prospective host countries the military files, full of lies and exaggerations, that WikiLeaks released last year, with their alarmist talk of &#8220;medium risk&#8221; and &#8220;high risk&#8221; etc., which wasn&#8217;t always conducive to resettlement plans.<br />
I also note that just two Tunisians were sent to Italy, not three, but that it was on the very specific basis that they would be prosecuted, and that whole episode was shameful.<br />
As for Palau and Bermuda and citizenship issues, that may just have been accidental. Primarily, Obama was desperate to get them out of Guantanamo in case the Supreme Court ruled in their favor (he needn&#8217;t have worried, as the Supreme Court is now officially spineless).<br />
And finally, I agree re: offering jobs to cleared prisoners. That would be excellent!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Life After Guantánamo: The Suffering of the Uighurs in Palau by arcticredriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>arcticredriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, I think I mentioned before an article I read a few years ago that compared how Italian POWs were treated during WW2 and how the Guantanamo captives who were cleared for release were treated.

I can&#039;t recall now whether the article made the comparison to how the Italians were treated after Mussolini fell, and Italy stopped being an active party in the war.  Anyhow, they got day paroles, were able to hold down jobs.

After the detention camp was opened the Guantanamo base&#039;s population ballooned, about ten fold.  Several thousand of the new workers, the ones who perform support roles are foreign workers, employed by private contractors, who perform non-military duties, like preparing the food.

I think it would be an excellent idea to offer employment on the base to all the captives who have been cleared for release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, I think I mentioned before an article I read a few years ago that compared how Italian POWs were treated during WW2 and how the Guantanamo captives who were cleared for release were treated.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t recall now whether the article made the comparison to how the Italians were treated after Mussolini fell, and Italy stopped being an active party in the war.  Anyhow, they got day paroles, were able to hold down jobs.</p>
<p>After the detention camp was opened the Guantanamo base&#8217;s population ballooned, about ten fold.  Several thousand of the new workers, the ones who perform support roles are foreign workers, employed by private contractors, who perform non-military duties, like preparing the food.</p>
<p>I think it would be an excellent idea to offer employment on the base to all the captives who have been cleared for release.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Life After Guantánamo: The Suffering of the Uighurs in Palau by arcticredriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>arcticredriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again Andy.  Can I take the liberty of repeating an aspect of the US claims that other countries aren&#039;t offering to take in Guantanamo captives that doesn&#039;t received much coverage?

The USA could publish a list of all the captives who have been cleared for release, and let all the nations openly consider whether they should offer asylum, or refugee status to any of the captives.

But as we learned during the long negotation over the repatriation of Bisher al Rawi, instead of an open and transparent process, the USA has engaged in closed, opaque confidential negotiations.  Why were the negotiations closed, confidential?  Because, as we learned when frustrated British negotiators let the cat out of the bag, the USA has wanted to require potential host countries to agree to quietly impose restrictions on the freedom, or privacy of the captives, once they have been transferred.

The British negotiators, in 2007(?) wanted to see Bisher al Rawi repatriated, because the British public had learned his only activity that could be meaningfully described as an association with terrorism had been when he had agreed to help Abu Qatada at MI-5 supervision.  Abu Qatada wanted help finding a new apartment, thinking by staying there he could fly under MI-5&#039;s supervision.  MI-5 had al Rawi arrange for Abu Qatada to stay in an apartment where MI-5 had installed a full suite of bugs.  The negotiations stretched out for years, because, as the British negotiators leaked, the Americans wouldn&#039;t transfer al Rawi without pre-conditions.  The UK had to (1) agree to accept all the other Guantanamo captives who had been long-term residents of the UK; and (2) they had to either imprison the men upon their repatriation, or keep them under 24x7 surviellance.

What confidential conditions did the UK evenutally agree to?  

In most civilized countries there is some kind of justification required before an individual can be subjected to long-term 24x7 surviellance.  The US negotiators were trying to get the UK negotiators to agree to a kind of surviellance that would be a breach of UK law.  During the Cold War, when the USA propped up tin-pot dictators like Mobuto Sese Seko, they would happily have agreed to impose draconian conditions (for a price).  It seems that the Bush administration thawed out some Cold Warriors who wanted to treat Canada, the UK, and other EU countries as if they were tin-pot dictatorships, with no history of respect for the rule of law.

Innocent Canadian Maher Arar was held in New York for two weeks prior to his &quot;extraordinary rendition&quot; to Syria, where he was tortured.  Canadian security officials had been told, post-9-11, to be more cooperative with their US opposite numbers.  US suspicions of Maher Arar were based on information shared with the US by cooperative Canadian security officials.  Those Canadian security officials were informed when Arar was captured.  American security officials discussed with Canadian security officials the possibility of simply deporting Arar back to Canada, rather than subject him to extraordinary rendition to Syria.  American security officials told their Canadian opposite numbers that they would not deport Arar to Canada unless Canada (1) imprisoned Arar, or (2) subjected him to draconian surviellance.  

Canadian officials told the US officials that Canadian law only authorized imprisoning citizens who had been convicted of a crime, or who had been charged with a crime, and were awaiting trial.  And since there was no reason to suspect Arar was associated with any crimes, they couldn&#039;t promise to imprison him, or keep him under long term, draconian surviellance.

In the McClatchy interviews many of the former captives told the reporters of the requirements they report to police HQ on a frequent and regular basis.

I think it is safe to assume that Albania agreed to impose conditions upon the NLEC captives sent there.  They were on day parole, but were required to sleep in the refugee camp by night.

Did the Obama administration relax the conditions they imposed on host countries?  Maybe.  But they clearly did not transition to a fully open and transparent process.  

Were the three North African captives transferred to Italy get sent there with an understanding that Italy would charge them?  I think so.

Both Palau and Bermuda do not grant citizenship to anyone not born in their countries.  So they can&#039;t get Palaun or Bermudian passports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again Andy.  Can I take the liberty of repeating an aspect of the US claims that other countries aren&#8217;t offering to take in Guantanamo captives that doesn&#8217;t received much coverage?</p>
<p>The USA could publish a list of all the captives who have been cleared for release, and let all the nations openly consider whether they should offer asylum, or refugee status to any of the captives.</p>
<p>But as we learned during the long negotation over the repatriation of Bisher al Rawi, instead of an open and transparent process, the USA has engaged in closed, opaque confidential negotiations.  Why were the negotiations closed, confidential?  Because, as we learned when frustrated British negotiators let the cat out of the bag, the USA has wanted to require potential host countries to agree to quietly impose restrictions on the freedom, or privacy of the captives, once they have been transferred.</p>
<p>The British negotiators, in 2007(?) wanted to see Bisher al Rawi repatriated, because the British public had learned his only activity that could be meaningfully described as an association with terrorism had been when he had agreed to help Abu Qatada at MI-5 supervision.  Abu Qatada wanted help finding a new apartment, thinking by staying there he could fly under MI-5&#8242;s supervision.  MI-5 had al Rawi arrange for Abu Qatada to stay in an apartment where MI-5 had installed a full suite of bugs.  The negotiations stretched out for years, because, as the British negotiators leaked, the Americans wouldn&#8217;t transfer al Rawi without pre-conditions.  The UK had to (1) agree to accept all the other Guantanamo captives who had been long-term residents of the UK; and (2) they had to either imprison the men upon their repatriation, or keep them under 24&#215;7 surviellance.</p>
<p>What confidential conditions did the UK evenutally agree to?  </p>
<p>In most civilized countries there is some kind of justification required before an individual can be subjected to long-term 24&#215;7 surviellance.  The US negotiators were trying to get the UK negotiators to agree to a kind of surviellance that would be a breach of UK law.  During the Cold War, when the USA propped up tin-pot dictators like Mobuto Sese Seko, they would happily have agreed to impose draconian conditions (for a price).  It seems that the Bush administration thawed out some Cold Warriors who wanted to treat Canada, the UK, and other EU countries as if they were tin-pot dictatorships, with no history of respect for the rule of law.</p>
<p>Innocent Canadian Maher Arar was held in New York for two weeks prior to his &#8220;extraordinary rendition&#8221; to Syria, where he was tortured.  Canadian security officials had been told, post-9-11, to be more cooperative with their US opposite numbers.  US suspicions of Maher Arar were based on information shared with the US by cooperative Canadian security officials.  Those Canadian security officials were informed when Arar was captured.  American security officials discussed with Canadian security officials the possibility of simply deporting Arar back to Canada, rather than subject him to extraordinary rendition to Syria.  American security officials told their Canadian opposite numbers that they would not deport Arar to Canada unless Canada (1) imprisoned Arar, or (2) subjected him to draconian surviellance.  </p>
<p>Canadian officials told the US officials that Canadian law only authorized imprisoning citizens who had been convicted of a crime, or who had been charged with a crime, and were awaiting trial.  And since there was no reason to suspect Arar was associated with any crimes, they couldn&#8217;t promise to imprison him, or keep him under long term, draconian surviellance.</p>
<p>In the McClatchy interviews many of the former captives told the reporters of the requirements they report to police HQ on a frequent and regular basis.</p>
<p>I think it is safe to assume that Albania agreed to impose conditions upon the NLEC captives sent there.  They were on day parole, but were required to sleep in the refugee camp by night.</p>
<p>Did the Obama administration relax the conditions they imposed on host countries?  Maybe.  But they clearly did not transition to a fully open and transparent process.  </p>
<p>Were the three North African captives transferred to Italy get sent there with an understanding that Italy would charge them?  I think so.</p>
<p>Both Palau and Bermuda do not grant citizenship to anyone not born in their countries.  So they can&#8217;t get Palaun or Bermudian passports.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Last Call to Sign the White House Petition to Close Guantánamo by Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Issy,
There are no more petitions planned just now, although we hope to return with something new in the not too distant future. By the way, the petition wasn&#039;t actually recognised by the US government as such. It was a petition submitted on the White House website, which would have secured a response from the President if we had reached the target of 25,000 signatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Issy,<br />
There are no more petitions planned just now, although we hope to return with something new in the not too distant future. By the way, the petition wasn&#8217;t actually recognised by the US government as such. It was a petition submitted on the White House website, which would have secured a response from the President if we had reached the target of 25,000 signatures.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abu Zubaydah and the Silencing of Guantánamo&#8217;s &#8220;High-Value Detainees,&#8221; as the CIA Censors His Drawings by Guantanamo Files &#124; Friction Facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guantanamo Files &#124; Friction Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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