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	<title>Comments on: Obama, the Supreme Court and Maher Arar: No Accountability for Torture</title>
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	<description>Investigative journalist, author, filmmaker and Guantanamo expert</description>
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		<title>By: Syria: Amazingly, The Next Crucible of Revolution in the Middle East? &#8211; OpEd &#171; Eurasia Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syria: Amazingly, The Next Crucible of Revolution in the Middle East? &#8211; OpEd &#171; Eurasia Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for decades, will have to prove impossible for the President al-Assad’s regime to suppress, as Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Candian citizen rendered by the US for torture in Syria during the “War on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for decades, will have to prove impossible for the President al-Assad’s regime to suppress, as Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Candian citizen rendered by the US for torture in Syria during the “War on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Revolution in Egypt – and the Hypocrisy of the US and the West &#171; Eurasia Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revolution in Egypt – and the Hypocrisy of the US and the West &#171; Eurasia Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] included teenagers rendered from Pakistan — have resurfaced (most notably, the Canadian citizen Maher Arar), but others remain unaccounted [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lee Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I decided today to look at &quot;torture&quot; sites to see if others felt as I do that the Obama administration may be finalizing &quot;acceptance&quot; of this method as legitimate means of U.S. policy - holding no one responsible - I have been outraged by this mess - and am so glad I found your site - I&#039;m a 64 yr old disabled man living in Manhattan. 
What actions can I take?
I&#039;m old enough to find the web a bit difficult to navigate, and yet I found you!
Looking forward to reading your material - I&#039;m terribly offended that this practice is being done in MY NAME!!!
It seems there are so many citizens  that are  either out right advocating for this practice, or are in a comatose state about it - and after working so hard to get Obama elected (as a professor of law, no less). Thank you for pursuing this issue! I feel like a pre-Hitlerian in Germany circa 1935!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I decided today to look at &#8220;torture&#8221; sites to see if others felt as I do that the Obama administration may be finalizing &#8220;acceptance&#8221; of this method as legitimate means of U.S. policy &#8211; holding no one responsible &#8211; I have been outraged by this mess &#8211; and am so glad I found your site &#8211; I&#8217;m a 64 yr old disabled man living in Manhattan.<br />
What actions can I take?<br />
I&#8217;m old enough to find the web a bit difficult to navigate, and yet I found you!<br />
Looking forward to reading your material &#8211; I&#8217;m terribly offended that this practice is being done in MY NAME!!!<br />
It seems there are so many citizens  that are  either out right advocating for this practice, or are in a comatose state about it &#8211; and after working so hard to get Obama elected (as a professor of law, no less). Thank you for pursuing this issue! I feel like a pre-Hitlerian in Germany circa 1935!</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Madeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Madeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How &#039;bout T-bags? That would spread the word even faster in your neck of the woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How &#8217;bout T-bags? That would spread the word even faster in your neck of the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent anecdote, Frances. Thanks for that -- and for being back here commenting! 
As for being invigorated by the pursuit of flagrant injustice, I know what you mean. I get tired myself, of course, but at least that&#039;s not because, like the Justice Department lawyers you mentioned, I&#039;ve opened up a moral vacuum inside myself. 
The thing abut Maher&#039;s case that is so compelling -- and as David pointed out so succinctly -- is that it so clearly involves attempts to defend the indefensible.
As the UN Convention Against Torture, Article 2.2 states:
&quot;No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.&quot;
We all need to remember that - and I think we should have it on T-shirts too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent anecdote, Frances. Thanks for that &#8212; and for being back here commenting!<br />
As for being invigorated by the pursuit of flagrant injustice, I know what you mean. I get tired myself, of course, but at least that&#8217;s not because, like the Justice Department lawyers you mentioned, I&#8217;ve opened up a moral vacuum inside myself.<br />
The thing abut Maher&#8217;s case that is so compelling &#8212; and as David pointed out so succinctly &#8212; is that it so clearly involves attempts to defend the indefensible.<br />
As the UN Convention Against Torture, Article 2.2 states:<br />
&#8220;No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.&#8221;<br />
We all need to remember that &#8211; and I think we should have it on T-shirts too!</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Madeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Madeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make that three Novembers ago. 2007. What a long time to wait for such a piss-poor result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that three Novembers ago. 2007. What a long time to wait for such a piss-poor result.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Madeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Madeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,
I saw Cole argue on behalf of Arar to the Federal Court of Appeals on a rainy day two Novembers ago in the Daniel Patrick Moynihan Court House. (Ironically, the entrances are located on Pearl Street and Worth Street.) He was valiant in his advocacy for his client who was not allowed to even be there. That significant enforced absence alone was the tip-off that we were in the outer regions of the possibility of obtaining justice. 

One of the three judges asked a few interesting questions, another one or two, and the third was completely silent, not a peep out of him. The gist of Cole&#039;s argument was that if Arar had been beaten and tortured in the holding cell at the airport,the U.S. would have been liable, and that the mere convenient fact of them having out-sourced the job via rendition could, or at least should, have no impact on that liability.  

 As it happens, I rode the elevator down with the team of U.S. Justice Department lawyers who had also skillfully risen to the challenge, even if they had had to pervert their intellects to get the job done. Their arguments were narrowly focused on this or that technicality; they could not and did not speak to Cole&#039;s principled argument, not if they wanted to “win.” 

Not one to let an opportunity like that go by, in the confined space of the elevator to my captive audience, somewhat volubly, I asked whether they understood that “we” (though it was only me, but I presumed to speak for others) did not want prisoners tortured in our name. The only woman on the team said to me by way of an answer, “We&#039;re tired.” And you know, Andy, she really did look tired. I could only say, “So are we.”

Now with this terrible Supreme Court decision by non-decision the possibilities for judicial justice for Arar in the U.S. have been exhausted. But I don&#039;t feel tired any more; just enraged, and as a consequence, invigorated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,<br />
I saw Cole argue on behalf of Arar to the Federal Court of Appeals on a rainy day two Novembers ago in the Daniel Patrick Moynihan Court House. (Ironically, the entrances are located on Pearl Street and Worth Street.) He was valiant in his advocacy for his client who was not allowed to even be there. That significant enforced absence alone was the tip-off that we were in the outer regions of the possibility of obtaining justice. </p>
<p>One of the three judges asked a few interesting questions, another one or two, and the third was completely silent, not a peep out of him. The gist of Cole&#8217;s argument was that if Arar had been beaten and tortured in the holding cell at the airport,the U.S. would have been liable, and that the mere convenient fact of them having out-sourced the job via rendition could, or at least should, have no impact on that liability.  </p>
<p> As it happens, I rode the elevator down with the team of U.S. Justice Department lawyers who had also skillfully risen to the challenge, even if they had had to pervert their intellects to get the job done. Their arguments were narrowly focused on this or that technicality; they could not and did not speak to Cole&#8217;s principled argument, not if they wanted to “win.” </p>
<p>Not one to let an opportunity like that go by, in the confined space of the elevator to my captive audience, somewhat volubly, I asked whether they understood that “we” (though it was only me, but I presumed to speak for others) did not want prisoners tortured in our name. The only woman on the team said to me by way of an answer, “We&#8217;re tired.” And you know, Andy, she really did look tired. I could only say, “So are we.”</p>
<p>Now with this terrible Supreme Court decision by non-decision the possibilities for judicial justice for Arar in the U.S. have been exhausted. But I don&#8217;t feel tired any more; just enraged, and as a consequence, invigorated.</p>
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