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		<title>By: U.N. Secret Detention Report &#171; Little Alex in Wonderland</title>
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		<dc:creator>U.N. Secret Detention Report &#171; Little Alex in Wonderland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Intro: U.N. Human Rights Council Discusses Secret Detention Report [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Die CIA-Gefängnisse in Afghanistan und Irak &#171; Ticker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Die CIA-Gefängnisse in Afghanistan und Irak &#171; Ticker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] complement my recent article, “UN Human Rights Council Discusses Secret Detention Report,” in which I explained how, two weeks ago, the UN Human Rights Council had — after some delays [...]</description>
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		<title>By: UN Secret Detention Report (Part Two): CIA Prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq &#171; Black Cafe Network News</title>
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		<dc:creator>UN Secret Detention Report (Part Two): CIA Prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq &#171; Black Cafe Network News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] }  To complement my recent article, “UN Human Rights Council Discusses Secret Detention Report,” in which I explained how, two weeks ago, the UN Human Rights Council had — after some delays [...]</description>
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		<title>By: UN Secret Detention Report (Part One): The CIA’s “High-Value Detainee” Program and Secret Prisons &#171; Black Cafe Network News</title>
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		<dc:creator>UN Secret Detention Report (Part One): The CIA’s “High-Value Detainee” Program and Secret Prisons &#171; Black Cafe Network News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] }  To complement my recent article, “UN Human Rights Council Discusses Secret Detention Report,” in which I explained how, two weeks ago, the UN Human Rights Council had — after some delays [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to hear from you both, Will and Frances, even if the overall prognosis is a gloomy as ever. And Frances, I can offer you only an HTML version of the section of the report that deals with US policies since 9/11, rather than the analysis you mentioned, but it&#039;s a good primer for those who want to know about what has been done in their name. 
Part One here: http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/06/15/un-secret-detention-report-part-one-the-cias-high-value-detainee-program-and-secret-prisons/
Part Two (CIA prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq) will be published tomorrow, and Part Three (on proxy prisons, other states&#039; complicity, and Obama&#039;s record) on Thursday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear from you both, Will and Frances, even if the overall prognosis is a gloomy as ever. And Frances, I can offer you only an HTML version of the section of the report that deals with US policies since 9/11, rather than the analysis you mentioned, but it&#8217;s a good primer for those who want to know about what has been done in their name.<br />
Part One here: <a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/06/15/un-secret-detention-report-part-one-the-cias-high-value-detainee-program-and-secret-prisons/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/06/15/un-secret-detention-report-part-one-the-cias-high-value-detainee-program-and-secret-prisons/</a><br />
Part Two (CIA prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq) will be published tomorrow, and Part Three (on proxy prisons, other states&#8217; complicity, and Obama&#8217;s record) on Thursday.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Madeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Madeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else, this Blue Paper begins to officially establish the conceptual framework for the lived experiences of far too many victims of the War of Terror who have found themselves, temporarily or permanently, lost in the labyrinth. Importantly, it also lays the groundwork--in that it provides the legal justification--for the case for reparations. Though I believe we need to go far beyond reparations, or even restitution, all the way to amends. 

Amends. Not just for our victims, but equally, or perhaps even more so, for ourselves. So we can begin to slough off our own burden of collective complicity with its accompanying putrefying shame, and not unnecessarily transmit it, like in-utero HIV for instance—a medicinal success story we can easily emulate—to the next generation, whom we have already so unduly burdened. The common wisdom and sense as expressed in Steps 8 and 9 of the 12 Steps to Serenity, as well as the Buddhist myth of Asanga, are instructive on this point. That&#039;s the good news: No wheel-invention required.  http://www.viewonbuddhism.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=139&amp;view=next&amp;sid=4c0c519fbc534eee1de47eb146aa138f

At 186 pages, A/HRC/13/42 is brief considering its scope. It doesn&#039;t take long to read the few pages in the Introduction, also the Conclusion and Recommendations, and to peruse the rest enough to be able to follow intelligently along with Andy&#039;s upcoming analysis. Even at a cursory glance, I can honestly say that this one document justifies all of the many traffic jams and other minor inconveniences suffered in  cohabiting with the U.N.&#039;s  Manhattan headquarters. We all know what a drag it is to lose those 20 or so minutes waiting for the motorcade to drive by. That&#039;s my suggestion for factoring an equitable reparations formula (and I&#039;m quite serious about this). Assign a monetary value to compensate for the frustration and anguish of 20 lost minutes and make that value the denominator in whatever monetary calculations are to be offered. And then, double it.

Why double it? For emphasis. And simply--because apparently we do need to keep it simple--to remember and never forget the torment of all of those whom we have doubled over in pain from our disgracefully lax disregard for their well-being and humanity. 

I say we pay them once for their pain and once for our painful inaction. Fair enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, this Blue Paper begins to officially establish the conceptual framework for the lived experiences of far too many victims of the War of Terror who have found themselves, temporarily or permanently, lost in the labyrinth. Importantly, it also lays the groundwork&#8211;in that it provides the legal justification&#8211;for the case for reparations. Though I believe we need to go far beyond reparations, or even restitution, all the way to amends. </p>
<p>Amends. Not just for our victims, but equally, or perhaps even more so, for ourselves. So we can begin to slough off our own burden of collective complicity with its accompanying putrefying shame, and not unnecessarily transmit it, like in-utero HIV for instance—a medicinal success story we can easily emulate—to the next generation, whom we have already so unduly burdened. The common wisdom and sense as expressed in Steps 8 and 9 of the 12 Steps to Serenity, as well as the Buddhist myth of Asanga, are instructive on this point. That&#8217;s the good news: No wheel-invention required.  <a href="http://www.viewonbuddhism.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=139&#038;view=next&#038;sid=4c0c519fbc534eee1de47eb146aa138f" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.viewonbuddhism.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=139_038_view=next_038_sid=4c0c519fbc534eee1de47eb146aa138f&amp;referer=');">http://www.viewonbuddhism.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=139&#038;view=next&#038;sid=4c0c519fbc534eee1de47eb146aa138f</a></p>
<p>At 186 pages, A/HRC/13/42 is brief considering its scope. It doesn&#8217;t take long to read the few pages in the Introduction, also the Conclusion and Recommendations, and to peruse the rest enough to be able to follow intelligently along with Andy&#8217;s upcoming analysis. Even at a cursory glance, I can honestly say that this one document justifies all of the many traffic jams and other minor inconveniences suffered in  cohabiting with the U.N.&#8217;s  Manhattan headquarters. We all know what a drag it is to lose those 20 or so minutes waiting for the motorcade to drive by. That&#8217;s my suggestion for factoring an equitable reparations formula (and I&#8217;m quite serious about this). Assign a monetary value to compensate for the frustration and anguish of 20 lost minutes and make that value the denominator in whatever monetary calculations are to be offered. And then, double it.</p>
<p>Why double it? For emphasis. And simply&#8211;because apparently we do need to keep it simple&#8211;to remember and never forget the torment of all of those whom we have doubled over in pain from our disgracefully lax disregard for their well-being and humanity. </p>
<p>I say we pay them once for their pain and once for our painful inaction. Fair enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Will Shirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re going to have to have a new revolution to shake the snakes out of the Liberty Tree. Like South Africa we absolutely need a Truth and Reconciliation movement to rip the lies and distortions from our own history. For instance, since I was a toddler I was told the Founders were Christian. I was given to understand that only evil southern blacks held slaves. Our country, I was told, is a democracy and is the only powerful democracy in the Christian world. All lies, every one. We live in at best a plutocracy but more accurately we live in a fascist country by any standards. No, we don&#039;t speak German or murder (many) Jews, but neither did Mussolini. As you know, Andy, fascism is a government of by and for the corporations at the expense of personal freedoms and rights. Invariably a fascist state will believe itself to be invincible, undoubtedly because the leaders become above the law, as Cheney and Bush and the others are. Once you identify the country with yourself a fascist leader always becomes a dictator for life, which averages about 5 more years or until the rest of the world stops fucking off and takes the outlaw state out.

So given that no population has ever had the balls to stand up and stop a nation from becoming a fascist dictatorship we can expect that following Obama we will get another seemingly disconnected President while the secret prisons grow and the wars continue to spread, spurred on by American weapons and technology. Eventually China and the Eurozone recognize they have to stop us and we get another horrible war. At this stage of the game the original novel stops with the innocent civilians dying in cities filled with smoke and broken mirrors, but the new version has the happy workers sitting down with their noble wardens for a couple of shots of Kentucky sour mash(made in China).

I submit for anyone listening that the United States needs to be less united. A federation of a half dozen or so regional governments with the largest cities broken off into city-states would probably fit the bill. New York City is bigger than Rhode Island... Alaska can be sold to the Siberians and Hawaii could return to it&#039;s status as an independent nation. According to the Constitution of the old USA states are expected to maintain the ability to call up a militia of trained fighters, but there is no provision for a standing army. Get rid of it. Get rid of the CIA, the HSA and all the secret groups we refuse to admit we have. Leave the Mideast. Period. Total disengagement from the region because those assholes live in the 12th century and I for one would like to enjoy the 21st century. Stop killing babies.

Furthermore, as an older man with withered loins I would like to suggest a radical adjustment to American society. two parts: One- scrub mass media of gratuitous sex scenes especially those which flash between sex and violence- fuck, bang, fuck, bang. Not good for the children and we are all of us children. Two- figure out a way to turn off male sex drive at puberty, said drive to be turned back on when the male gets married and is able to support a family. Too many people have been killed because some kid with a hard on was too frustrated and decided to rob, rape, murder or something to work it off. I say take away the distraction. Take the years to learn about history, philosophy and literature. THEN screw your brains out.

Of course I understand we are due for another BIG WAR and none of my ideas will be acted upon, but I hope someday enough humans will have survived to learn to think with their brain. That will help. Hitler had one testicle and so millions died. Bush has a tiny little dinky and so hundreds of thousands died. Cheney propagates asexually.

HEY! Why not require a complete psychological analysis for anyone running for President? You have to prove sanity and intelligence to be President. Wouldn&#039;t that be great? I am so totally exhausted being ruled over by Charlie Manson clones, I want a sane human in the Oval Office, just once!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re going to have to have a new revolution to shake the snakes out of the Liberty Tree. Like South Africa we absolutely need a Truth and Reconciliation movement to rip the lies and distortions from our own history. For instance, since I was a toddler I was told the Founders were Christian. I was given to understand that only evil southern blacks held slaves. Our country, I was told, is a democracy and is the only powerful democracy in the Christian world. All lies, every one. We live in at best a plutocracy but more accurately we live in a fascist country by any standards. No, we don&#8217;t speak German or murder (many) Jews, but neither did Mussolini. As you know, Andy, fascism is a government of by and for the corporations at the expense of personal freedoms and rights. Invariably a fascist state will believe itself to be invincible, undoubtedly because the leaders become above the law, as Cheney and Bush and the others are. Once you identify the country with yourself a fascist leader always becomes a dictator for life, which averages about 5 more years or until the rest of the world stops fucking off and takes the outlaw state out.</p>
<p>So given that no population has ever had the balls to stand up and stop a nation from becoming a fascist dictatorship we can expect that following Obama we will get another seemingly disconnected President while the secret prisons grow and the wars continue to spread, spurred on by American weapons and technology. Eventually China and the Eurozone recognize they have to stop us and we get another horrible war. At this stage of the game the original novel stops with the innocent civilians dying in cities filled with smoke and broken mirrors, but the new version has the happy workers sitting down with their noble wardens for a couple of shots of Kentucky sour mash(made in China).</p>
<p>I submit for anyone listening that the United States needs to be less united. A federation of a half dozen or so regional governments with the largest cities broken off into city-states would probably fit the bill. New York City is bigger than Rhode Island&#8230; Alaska can be sold to the Siberians and Hawaii could return to it&#8217;s status as an independent nation. According to the Constitution of the old USA states are expected to maintain the ability to call up a militia of trained fighters, but there is no provision for a standing army. Get rid of it. Get rid of the CIA, the HSA and all the secret groups we refuse to admit we have. Leave the Mideast. Period. Total disengagement from the region because those assholes live in the 12th century and I for one would like to enjoy the 21st century. Stop killing babies.</p>
<p>Furthermore, as an older man with withered loins I would like to suggest a radical adjustment to American society. two parts: One- scrub mass media of gratuitous sex scenes especially those which flash between sex and violence- fuck, bang, fuck, bang. Not good for the children and we are all of us children. Two- figure out a way to turn off male sex drive at puberty, said drive to be turned back on when the male gets married and is able to support a family. Too many people have been killed because some kid with a hard on was too frustrated and decided to rob, rape, murder or something to work it off. I say take away the distraction. Take the years to learn about history, philosophy and literature. THEN screw your brains out.</p>
<p>Of course I understand we are due for another BIG WAR and none of my ideas will be acted upon, but I hope someday enough humans will have survived to learn to think with their brain. That will help. Hitler had one testicle and so millions died. Bush has a tiny little dinky and so hundreds of thousands died. Cheney propagates asexually.</p>
<p>HEY! Why not require a complete psychological analysis for anyone running for President? You have to prove sanity and intelligence to be President. Wouldn&#8217;t that be great? I am so totally exhausted being ruled over by Charlie Manson clones, I want a sane human in the Oval Office, just once!</p>
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