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	<title>Comments on: An Insignificant Yemeni at Guantánamo Loses His Habeas Petition</title>
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		<title>By: No Surprise at Obama’s Guantánamo Trial Chaos &#124; NW0.eu</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/04/17/an-insignificant-yemeni-at-guantanamo-loses-his-habeas-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-68310</link>
		<dc:creator>No Surprise at Obama’s Guantánamo Trial Chaos &#124; NW0.eu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has led to horrendous problems, as I have reported at length, because, in the first instance, the majority of those who have lost their habeas petitions were [...]</description>
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		<title>By: No Surprise at Obama’s Guantánamo Trial Chaos &#124; Dark Politricks</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/04/17/an-insignificant-yemeni-at-guantanamo-loses-his-habeas-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-63076</link>
		<dc:creator>No Surprise at Obama’s Guantánamo Trial Chaos &#124; Dark Politricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has led to horrendous problems, as I have reported at length, because, in the first instance, the majority of those who have lost their habeas petitions were [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington&#8217;s &#8220;Guantanamo Habeas Week&#8221; &#171; The Jeff Farias Show</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/04/17/an-insignificant-yemeni-at-guantanamo-loses-his-habeas-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-56943</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington&#8217;s &#8220;Guantanamo Habeas Week&#8221; &#171; The Jeff Farias Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the latest result, overwhelmingly ignored by the mainstream media, in which an insignificant Yemeni, Yasin Ismail, lost his habeas petition: Throughout the rest of the week, I&#8217;ll be analyzing all the unclassified opinions issued in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was my reply:

Interesting points, Willy, Jan and Ghaliyaa, although I&#039;m finding that it&#039;s actually rather more complicated than that. In the cases where the prisoners have won their habeas petitions, the judges have all recognized what you describe correctly, Willy, as &quot;the most obvious flaws in the supposed evidence and the undeniable fact that the detainee has been subjected to ill-treatment, brutality, humiliation and torture.&quot;
However, in the cases where the prisoners have lost, for the most part the judges have been following the rules, and the problem, therefore, is with these rules -- and, specifically, the refusal to distinguish between al-Qaeda and the Taliban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my reply:</p>
<p>Interesting points, Willy, Jan and Ghaliyaa, although I&#8217;m finding that it&#8217;s actually rather more complicated than that. In the cases where the prisoners have won their habeas petitions, the judges have all recognized what you describe correctly, Willy, as &#8220;the most obvious flaws in the supposed evidence and the undeniable fact that the detainee has been subjected to ill-treatment, brutality, humiliation and torture.&#8221;<br />
However, in the cases where the prisoners have lost, for the most part the judges have been following the rules, and the problem, therefore, is with these rules &#8212; and, specifically, the refusal to distinguish between al-Qaeda and the Taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ghaliyaa Islam wrote:

Willy - the rule of law has become more than quaint, but non-existent here in the US...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ghaliyaa Islam wrote:</p>
<p>Willy &#8211; the rule of law has become more than quaint, but non-existent here in the US&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan Boeykens wrote:

You are right. These people seem to be trained in sadism. It&#039;s remarkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan Boeykens wrote:</p>
<p>You are right. These people seem to be trained in sadism. It&#8217;s remarkable.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over on Facebook, Willy Bach wrote:

Thanks Andy, I am sure every time I read these stories, one thing sticks out a mile. All these judges that are elected on their popularity with government seem to have an unfortunate habit of ignoring the most obvious flaws in the supposed evidence and the undeniable fact that the detainee has been subjected to ill-treatment, brutality, humiliation and torture.

It seems the rule of law has become &#039;quaint&#039; in the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on Facebook, Willy Bach wrote:</p>
<p>Thanks Andy, I am sure every time I read these stories, one thing sticks out a mile. All these judges that are elected on their popularity with government seem to have an unfortunate habit of ignoring the most obvious flaws in the supposed evidence and the undeniable fact that the detainee has been subjected to ill-treatment, brutality, humiliation and torture.</p>
<p>It seems the rule of law has become &#8216;quaint&#8217; in the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, TD, for summing up what happens when &quot;small, immature, fearful, pathetic people&quot; take charge, and subvert the principles on which the US was founded. Sadly, what passes for discourse at present regarding justice -- rather than the constant fog-horning of a message of fear -- afflicts not just the US, but the rest of the so-called &quot;civilized&quot; West as well, although I wouldn&#039;t want to suggest that the US doesn&#039;t have the lead when it comes to establishing &quot;a most peculiarly deranged society&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, TD, for summing up what happens when &#8220;small, immature, fearful, pathetic people&#8221; take charge, and subvert the principles on which the US was founded. Sadly, what passes for discourse at present regarding justice &#8212; rather than the constant fog-horning of a message of fear &#8212; afflicts not just the US, but the rest of the so-called &#8220;civilized&#8221; West as well, although I wouldn&#8217;t want to suggest that the US doesn&#8217;t have the lead when it comes to establishing &#8220;a most peculiarly deranged society&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: the talking dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>the talking dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what a society consisting of small, immature, fearful, pathetic people dreams up, a society more motivated by its fears and prejudices than by anything resembling reality or facts (or Heaven help us, &quot;justice&quot;).

It was, I believe, Dostoevsky who suggested that the health of a society could best be determined by looking in its prisons; the United States&#039;s most famous prison at Guantanamo Bay is a most unhealthy place, and hence, the society that created it must be peculiarly deranged.  

In the somewhat imbalanced scale of justice that Judge Kennedy was using, and to be fair to him, just about every other habeas judge has been using (to wit, any evidence at all of any connection to Taliban or Qaeda, even if not &quot;good&quot; evidence in any other context),  And hence, No. 522 had some remote connection to bad people and training in violence, and, under the perverse rules of the game, that&#039;s good enough to hold him for the duration of hostilities, however long that takes, possibly up to the rest of his life.    

The irony is, while the result is unfortunate, this was the fairest hearing No. 522 has had in over eight years... even if, alas, it&#039;s likely to be the only one he gets.  Indeed, he is in an elite group of only around 50 of the nearly 800 men to pass through GTMO to get such a fair hearing, and we won&#039;t even count how many others have gone through Bagram and the other elements of the American Gulag Archipelago without anything at all.  

The grim reality that the continued presence of No. 522 and so many other Muslims  in American  custody is pretty much the best recruiting sergeant for those who might want to commit violence &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; Americans and their nation...  seems to elude most Americans.  As I said... a most peculiarly deranged society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what a society consisting of small, immature, fearful, pathetic people dreams up, a society more motivated by its fears and prejudices than by anything resembling reality or facts (or Heaven help us, &#8220;justice&#8221;).</p>
<p>It was, I believe, Dostoevsky who suggested that the health of a society could best be determined by looking in its prisons; the United States&#8217;s most famous prison at Guantanamo Bay is a most unhealthy place, and hence, the society that created it must be peculiarly deranged.  </p>
<p>In the somewhat imbalanced scale of justice that Judge Kennedy was using, and to be fair to him, just about every other habeas judge has been using (to wit, any evidence at all of any connection to Taliban or Qaeda, even if not &#8220;good&#8221; evidence in any other context),  And hence, No. 522 had some remote connection to bad people and training in violence, and, under the perverse rules of the game, that&#8217;s good enough to hold him for the duration of hostilities, however long that takes, possibly up to the rest of his life.    </p>
<p>The irony is, while the result is unfortunate, this was the fairest hearing No. 522 has had in over eight years&#8230; even if, alas, it&#8217;s likely to be the only one he gets.  Indeed, he is in an elite group of only around 50 of the nearly 800 men to pass through GTMO to get such a fair hearing, and we won&#8217;t even count how many others have gone through Bagram and the other elements of the American Gulag Archipelago without anything at all.  </p>
<p>The grim reality that the continued presence of No. 522 and so many other Muslims  in American  custody is pretty much the best recruiting sergeant for those who might want to commit violence <i>against</i> Americans and their nation&#8230;  seems to elude most Americans.  As I said&#8230; a most peculiarly deranged society.</p>
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