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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<title>By: An Insignificant Yemeni at Guantánamo Loses His Habeas Petition &#171; freedetainees.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Insignificant Yemeni at Guantánamo Loses His Habeas Petition &#171; freedetainees.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (April 2009), Judge Rules That Afghan “Rendered” To Bagram In 2002 Has No Rights (July 2009), Bagram Isn’t The New Guantánamo, It’s The Old Guantánamo (August 2009), Obama Brings Guantánamo And Rendition To Bagram (And Not The Geneva Conventions) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: “Model Prisoner” at Guantánamo, Tortured in the “Dark Prison,” Loses Habeas Corpus Petition &#171; freedetainees.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>“Model Prisoner” at Guantánamo, Tortured in the “Dark Prison,” Loses Habeas Corpus Petition &#171; freedetainees.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Letting our actions speak for themselv&#8230; &#171; Talk Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Letting our actions speak for themselv&#8230; &#171; Talk Islam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bagram Isn’t The New Guantánamo, It’s The Old Guantánamo by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bagram Isn’t The New Guantánamo, It’s The Old Guantánamo by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Little Brother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, after reading this latest article my first thought was &quot;par for the course&quot;.  But it brought to mind a bit of a screed I posted elsewhere on Bastille Day.  I hope you&#039;ll pardon my purple prose and possibly overweening self-indulgence for putting a touched-up version &quot;on the record&quot; here as well, but I trust its relevance speaks for itself:
_______________________________________________________

A beloved uncle, now 93 years old, helped to sate my and my siblings&#039; voracious appetite for reading by regularly giving us books purchased at a second-hand bookstore near his place of business.

But he didn&#039;t just pick up the first armful of books he saw; he himself was a fan of &quot;ripping yarn&quot; historical adventure stories, including the works of Samuel Shellabarger and Alexandre Dumas, and added them to the Hardy Boys mysteries.

Thus began what may be called a serendipitous indoctrination into a thread of &quot;secular humanity&quot;. These works contained a pervasive theme: a cruel, wicked, despotic, oppressive, corrupt, and ultimately illegitimate government of oligarchs wrongfully detaining and imprisoning the innocent-- or the righteously rebellious-- in horrific, monstrous prisons.

The Bastille; the Château d&#039;If.

And parochial school imparted tales of Christian martyrs, cast into dungeons and eventually barbarically tortured and executed-- again, by cruel, wicked, despotic, etc. governments.

Eventually, I was introduced to the worldwide wealth of literature touching upon forcible unjust imprisonment in physically and psychologically ruinous conditions without any process of law, or even rationality: Kafka, Solzhenitsyn, Vonnegut; Andersonville, &quot;The Ox-Bow Incident&quot;...

The cumulative effect of this reading imparted a fundamental morality, or at least nurtured a moral sensibility that can be summed up here as: it&#039;s always the Barbarians, the Bad Guys, the Villains, the Black Hats who build the damned Bastilles!  More precisely, Bastilles FOR the damned.

Conversely, the proliferation of such atrocities is a reliable indicator that the proliferators are not civilized persons and governments of humanity, compassion, and decency.

Yes, yes-- there&#039;s no black and white, it&#039;s shades of gray, stereotypes and generalizations are not helpful, there are two sides to every story. I know about relativism, thanks. I also know that the &quot;it&#039;s all shades of gray&quot; perspective cuts both ways, insofar as it can be just as easily invoked to obscure and mislead such black or white bits as can be discerned in our multiplex, fluid existence.

Well, obviously Amerika has long been a nation so bankrupt in political solutions that we have settled on a default option of criminalizing everything in sight, and creating a service-delivery system for incarceration that hangs like a hundred-pound malignant tumor from the tip of Uncle Sam&#039;s nose.

So it&#039;s not exactly a shock that our politicians take a &quot;more of the same&quot; approach by fusing our proclivity to warehouse humans who lack the means and status to ignore the law with impunity.

Still, on Bastille Day I couldn&#039;t help but marvel, if that&#039;s the right term, over how the US has sown a crop of a thousand little Bastilles around the world, and how our government has utterly dehumanized their &quot;content&quot; in every way possible.

Not least of which is reducing the prisoners to abstractions, elements in a tricky Rubik&#039;s Cube of jurisprudence being endlessly rotated with no honest solution.

A similar operational ruthlessness exists in the ascendancy of the banksters and the political elite&#039;s &quot;No Insurance Company Left Behind&quot; approach to health care.  The present Unitary Executive is no different from his malevolent predecessor.  Indeed, I apply the term to Mr. Obama because his own maladministration has substantially, if not entirely consistently, adopted the authoritarian, anti-Constitutional policies and practices devised and rationalized by Team Bush that effectively displaced political power and authority from the Constitutional trinity of power-sharing branches to the Executive Branch alone.

This circumstance, for better or worse, reveals that these depredations to the rule of law cannot be attributed to one &quot;rogue&quot; administration or group of ideologues; rather, it arises from a modern mind-set given over to amoral pragmatism, and a Möbius Strip of a corporatized duopoly in which our so very &quot;electable&quot; leaders put their (remaining) humanity into cryogenic suspension. Such hearts as they have may as well be immersed in liquid nitrogen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, after reading this latest article my first thought was &#8220;par for the course&#8221;.  But it brought to mind a bit of a screed I posted elsewhere on Bastille Day.  I hope you&#8217;ll pardon my purple prose and possibly overweening self-indulgence for putting a touched-up version &#8220;on the record&#8221; here as well, but I trust its relevance speaks for itself:<br />
_______________________________________________________</p>
<p>A beloved uncle, now 93 years old, helped to sate my and my siblings&#8217; voracious appetite for reading by regularly giving us books purchased at a second-hand bookstore near his place of business.</p>
<p>But he didn&#8217;t just pick up the first armful of books he saw; he himself was a fan of &#8220;ripping yarn&#8221; historical adventure stories, including the works of Samuel Shellabarger and Alexandre Dumas, and added them to the Hardy Boys mysteries.</p>
<p>Thus began what may be called a serendipitous indoctrination into a thread of &#8220;secular humanity&#8221;. These works contained a pervasive theme: a cruel, wicked, despotic, oppressive, corrupt, and ultimately illegitimate government of oligarchs wrongfully detaining and imprisoning the innocent&#8211; or the righteously rebellious&#8211; in horrific, monstrous prisons.</p>
<p>The Bastille; the Château d&#8217;If.</p>
<p>And parochial school imparted tales of Christian martyrs, cast into dungeons and eventually barbarically tortured and executed&#8211; again, by cruel, wicked, despotic, etc. governments.</p>
<p>Eventually, I was introduced to the worldwide wealth of literature touching upon forcible unjust imprisonment in physically and psychologically ruinous conditions without any process of law, or even rationality: Kafka, Solzhenitsyn, Vonnegut; Andersonville, &#8220;The Ox-Bow Incident&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>The cumulative effect of this reading imparted a fundamental morality, or at least nurtured a moral sensibility that can be summed up here as: it&#8217;s always the Barbarians, the Bad Guys, the Villains, the Black Hats who build the damned Bastilles!  More precisely, Bastilles FOR the damned.</p>
<p>Conversely, the proliferation of such atrocities is a reliable indicator that the proliferators are not civilized persons and governments of humanity, compassion, and decency.</p>
<p>Yes, yes&#8211; there&#8217;s no black and white, it&#8217;s shades of gray, stereotypes and generalizations are not helpful, there are two sides to every story. I know about relativism, thanks. I also know that the &#8220;it&#8217;s all shades of gray&#8221; perspective cuts both ways, insofar as it can be just as easily invoked to obscure and mislead such black or white bits as can be discerned in our multiplex, fluid existence.</p>
<p>Well, obviously Amerika has long been a nation so bankrupt in political solutions that we have settled on a default option of criminalizing everything in sight, and creating a service-delivery system for incarceration that hangs like a hundred-pound malignant tumor from the tip of Uncle Sam&#8217;s nose.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not exactly a shock that our politicians take a &#8220;more of the same&#8221; approach by fusing our proclivity to warehouse humans who lack the means and status to ignore the law with impunity.</p>
<p>Still, on Bastille Day I couldn&#8217;t help but marvel, if that&#8217;s the right term, over how the US has sown a crop of a thousand little Bastilles around the world, and how our government has utterly dehumanized their &#8220;content&#8221; in every way possible.</p>
<p>Not least of which is reducing the prisoners to abstractions, elements in a tricky Rubik&#8217;s Cube of jurisprudence being endlessly rotated with no honest solution.</p>
<p>A similar operational ruthlessness exists in the ascendancy of the banksters and the political elite&#8217;s &#8220;No Insurance Company Left Behind&#8221; approach to health care.  The present Unitary Executive is no different from his malevolent predecessor.  Indeed, I apply the term to Mr. Obama because his own maladministration has substantially, if not entirely consistently, adopted the authoritarian, anti-Constitutional policies and practices devised and rationalized by Team Bush that effectively displaced political power and authority from the Constitutional trinity of power-sharing branches to the Executive Branch alone.</p>
<p>This circumstance, for better or worse, reveals that these depredations to the rule of law cannot be attributed to one &#8220;rogue&#8221; administration or group of ideologues; rather, it arises from a modern mind-set given over to amoral pragmatism, and a Möbius Strip of a corporatized duopoly in which our so very &#8220;electable&#8221; leaders put their (remaining) humanity into cryogenic suspension. Such hearts as they have may as well be immersed in liquid nitrogen.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Candace,
Always great to hear from you, although hopefully one day we&#039;ll be able to reminisce about all this rather then being so totally caught up in it.
You conclusion -- that &quot;the Department of &#039;justice&#039; under Obama is just as bad as under Bush&quot; -- is one that I&#039;ve been reaching myself, of course, and that pointless, petty example of redacting the prisoners&#039; nationalities is yet another example of the rudderless ship, inhabited by the ghosts of Cheney and Addington, that purports to be the Justice Department.
Readers who want the whole sad story of Justice Department obstruction in the habeas cases can find Parts One and Two of a three-part series here (with Part Three following in the next few days):
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/07/14/guantanamo-and-the-courts-part-one-exposing-the-bush-administrations-lies/
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/08/11/guantanamo-and-the-courts-part-two-obamas-shame/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Candace,<br />
Always great to hear from you, although hopefully one day we&#8217;ll be able to reminisce about all this rather then being so totally caught up in it.<br />
You conclusion &#8212; that &#8220;the Department of &#8216;justice&#8217; under Obama is just as bad as under Bush&#8221; &#8212; is one that I&#8217;ve been reaching myself, of course, and that pointless, petty example of redacting the prisoners&#8217; nationalities is yet another example of the rudderless ship, inhabited by the ghosts of Cheney and Addington, that purports to be the Justice Department.<br />
Readers who want the whole sad story of Justice Department obstruction in the habeas cases can find Parts One and Two of a three-part series here (with Part Three following in the next few days):<br />
<a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/07/14/guantanamo-and-the-courts-part-one-exposing-the-bush-administrations-lies/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/07/14/guantanamo-and-the-courts-part-one-exposing-the-bush-administrations-lies/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/08/11/guantanamo-and-the-courts-part-two-obamas-shame/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/08/11/guantanamo-and-the-courts-part-two-obamas-shame/</a></p>
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		<title>By: hcgorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>hcgorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your history of the release of names brings me to an ironic twist. Yesterday I filed a motion against the Government for a rule to show cause asking that the government be held in contempt of court for violating a court order entered in June. The court order required the Government to file public versions of the Returns (those documents state the reasons for the prisoners being held and also are supposed to contain whatever known facts are helpful to the prisoner). The public versions were only supposed to have classified information redacted and if the government wanted to protect certain unclassified information the court set up a procedure for the government to file. I received my clients&#039; Returns and the first thing I noticed was that they had their nationalities redacted...turns out the government redacted the nationalities of all the prisoners in all of the Returns. We know of course that the information is not classified as you point out above the government released that information in 2006.. and if the Government wanted to &quot;protect&quot; that information they had a procedure they had to follow... that is only one small example of what the redacted...other information redacted can be found in your wonderful book (which I pointed out to the judge) and in the released CSRTs, ARBs, etc...the Department of &quot;justice&quot; under Obama is just as bad as under Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your history of the release of names brings me to an ironic twist. Yesterday I filed a motion against the Government for a rule to show cause asking that the government be held in contempt of court for violating a court order entered in June. The court order required the Government to file public versions of the Returns (those documents state the reasons for the prisoners being held and also are supposed to contain whatever known facts are helpful to the prisoner). The public versions were only supposed to have classified information redacted and if the government wanted to protect certain unclassified information the court set up a procedure for the government to file. I received my clients&#8217; Returns and the first thing I noticed was that they had their nationalities redacted&#8230;turns out the government redacted the nationalities of all the prisoners in all of the Returns. We know of course that the information is not classified as you point out above the government released that information in 2006.. and if the Government wanted to &#8220;protect&#8221; that information they had a procedure they had to follow&#8230; that is only one small example of what the redacted&#8230;other information redacted can be found in your wonderful book (which I pointed out to the judge) and in the released CSRTs, ARBs, etc&#8230;the Department of &#8220;justice&#8221; under Obama is just as bad as under Bush.</p>
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