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		<title>By: Monika&#8217;s Pensieve &#187; Today is the International Day of Peace! :)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monika&#8217;s Pensieve &#187; Today is the International Day of Peace! :)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] US Detention Centres Imagine that one day somebody grabs you on the street. You are put into detention, tortured, serious accusations are made against you, but you are not allowed to contact your family or a lawyer to help you. A couple of years later you are released, you are not given any sort of apology or a sufficient explanation for why you were held. Once you are back in your country and community, everybody treats you like a terrorist and wants nothing to do with you. The very idea that their country is taking in people who have gone through this scares them. You try to sue the people who did this to you, but even there you face difficulties. This is the plight of hundreds of Muslims all over the world today. Amongst these cases there are those who were underage at the time of capture. A much talked about case is Omar Khadr - a Canadian citizen who was put in detention in 2002 at the age of 15 and remains in Guantanamo to this day. No charges have been pressed against him in court. More recently, an Afghan man is seeking justice - he says he was kept in detention by the Americans for many years despite being 12 at the time of his capture. Some of these men have received permanent physical injuries from the torture they were subjected to. There is, for example, the case of Omar Deghayes, who is now completely blind in one eye because of the torture he endured. There have been cases where men have died under US detention also. The most shocking is the Qala-i-Janghi massacre known also as the &#8220;Convoy of Death&#8221;. It is estimated that at least 1500 prisoners died. More about the massacre (which the US has tried very hard to hide) can be found here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] US Detention Centres Imagine that one day somebody grabs you on the street. You are put into detention, tortured, serious accusations are made against you, but you are not allowed to contact your family or a lawyer to help you. A couple of years later you are released, you are not given any sort of apology or a sufficient explanation for why you were held. Once you are back in your country and community, everybody treats you like a terrorist and wants nothing to do with you. The very idea that their country is taking in people who have gone through this scares them. You try to sue the people who did this to you, but even there you face difficulties. This is the plight of hundreds of Muslims all over the world today. Amongst these cases there are those who were underage at the time of capture. A much talked about case is Omar Khadr &#8211; a Canadian citizen who was put in detention in 2002 at the age of 15 and remains in Guantanamo to this day. No charges have been pressed against him in court. More recently, an Afghan man is seeking justice &#8211; he says he was kept in detention by the Americans for many years despite being 12 at the time of his capture. Some of these men have received permanent physical injuries from the torture they were subjected to. There is, for example, the case of Omar Deghayes, who is now completely blind in one eye because of the torture he endured. There have been cases where men have died under US detention also. The most shocking is the Qala-i-Janghi massacre known also as the &#8220;Convoy of Death&#8221;. It is estimated that at least 1500 prisoners died. More about the massacre (which the US has tried very hard to hide) can be found here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: An Interview With Col. Lawrence Wilkerson (Part One) by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Interview With Col. Lawrence Wilkerson (Part One) by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in this first part, he explained how the State Department had wondered whether the little-reported Dasht-i-Leili container massacre had involved war crimes, how the Bush administration had considered using the Indian Ocean [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Susan. Let me know if you get a reply. I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve heard the last of this story just yet. Certainly, if the government doesn&#039;t act, Physicians for Human Rights are not going to give up on it -- and I hope to do further research into it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Susan. Let me know if you get a reply. I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve heard the last of this story just yet. Certainly, if the government doesn&#8217;t act, Physicians for Human Rights are not going to give up on it &#8212; and I hope to do further research into it too.</p>
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		<title>By: susanphall</title>
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		<dc:creator>susanphall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Obama: “Yes, the indications that this had not been properly investigated just recently was brought to my attention. So what I’ve asked my national security team to do is to collect the facts for me that are known. And we’ll probably make a decision in terms of how to approach it once we have all the facts gathered up.”
	
This is politics, even I, an unemployed kindergarten teacher know the facts; he can read published books, watch movies, talk to the forensic scientists, and listen to eye witnesses (70). Of course he will have to go to Guantánamo to hear them because now his administration is getting involved in a cover-up by having witnesses illegally imprisoned in a foreign country. Perhaps he will release them with compensation and tell the world they are part of a now open investigation and are being released. 
I am going to mail this to President Obama. I heard that the politicians do not feel they are obligated to read emails, but are obligated to read hard copy mail. 
Susan Hall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Obama: “Yes, the indications that this had not been properly investigated just recently was brought to my attention. So what I’ve asked my national security team to do is to collect the facts for me that are known. And we’ll probably make a decision in terms of how to approach it once we have all the facts gathered up.”</p>
<p>This is politics, even I, an unemployed kindergarten teacher know the facts; he can read published books, watch movies, talk to the forensic scientists, and listen to eye witnesses (70). Of course he will have to go to Guantánamo to hear them because now his administration is getting involved in a cover-up by having witnesses illegally imprisoned in a foreign country. Perhaps he will release them with compensation and tell the world they are part of a now open investigation and are being released.<br />
I am going to mail this to President Obama. I heard that the politicians do not feel they are obligated to read emails, but are obligated to read hard copy mail.<br />
Susan Hall</p>
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		<title>By: The Convoy of Death: Will Obama Investigate The Afghan Massacre Of November 2001? by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Convoy of Death: Will Obama Investigate The Afghan Massacre Of November 2001? by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] by Andy Worthington Featured Writer Dandelion Salad www.andyworthington.co.uk 14 July 2009 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Domnhail,
Well, that&#039;s cranked up the discussion a few gears -- and yes, honestly, I shouldn&#039;t be surprised by anything. I have read &lt;em&gt;Jawbreaker&lt;/em&gt;, after all, with Gary Berntsen&#039;s war-lust writ large, and I haven&#039;t forgotten that the invasion of Afghanistan turned in the US favor only after they started vaporizing the Taliban front lines with &quot;daisy cutters&quot; ...

Thanks for getting in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Domnhail,<br />
Well, that&#8217;s cranked up the discussion a few gears &#8212; and yes, honestly, I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised by anything. I have read <em>Jawbreaker</em>, after all, with Gary Berntsen&#8217;s war-lust writ large, and I haven&#8217;t forgotten that the invasion of Afghanistan turned in the US favor only after they started vaporizing the Taliban front lines with &#8220;daisy cutters&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for getting in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Domnhail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domnhail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy for a nano-second that US special forces weren&#039;t involved. Not only were they involved, they were probably giving the orders. Americans don&#039;t want to think that &quot;their&quot; soldiers working with the vicious Northern Alliance warlord would have aided, encouraged and even ordered his crimes. What is it that people think the CIA interrogators were doing in Dostum&#039;s fortress, Qala-i-Janghi? 

The whole thing was disgusting. The fact that there will be no justice is a forgone conclusion. Major world powers only get in trouble for human rights abuses after having lost a world war (like Germany). All Central Asia knew what sort of scum Dostum was, he was on the CIA payroll. Dostum is a psychopathic rapist, mass murdering piece of filth that props up our miserable little Mayor of Kabul, Karzai. Hence the US government and the US press will not say anything bad about him.

Take however many people they claim to have killed and double or triple the number and you might have an accurate number of POWs executed. Executing a POW is a MAJOR war crime. Why do you think Iraqi soldiers during the first US war on Iraq were surrendering to TV cameras? Because our glorious soldiers of democracy were executing them, even when they&#039;d thrown down their weapons to surrender. 

Of course our troops were involved. Those who think otherwise are living in a pollyanna-ish world where they see only what they want to see. What they want to see obviously doesn&#039;t involve mass-murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy for a nano-second that US special forces weren&#8217;t involved. Not only were they involved, they were probably giving the orders. Americans don&#8217;t want to think that &#8220;their&#8221; soldiers working with the vicious Northern Alliance warlord would have aided, encouraged and even ordered his crimes. What is it that people think the CIA interrogators were doing in Dostum&#8217;s fortress, Qala-i-Janghi? </p>
<p>The whole thing was disgusting. The fact that there will be no justice is a forgone conclusion. Major world powers only get in trouble for human rights abuses after having lost a world war (like Germany). All Central Asia knew what sort of scum Dostum was, he was on the CIA payroll. Dostum is a psychopathic rapist, mass murdering piece of filth that props up our miserable little Mayor of Kabul, Karzai. Hence the US government and the US press will not say anything bad about him.</p>
<p>Take however many people they claim to have killed and double or triple the number and you might have an accurate number of POWs executed. Executing a POW is a MAJOR war crime. Why do you think Iraqi soldiers during the first US war on Iraq were surrendering to TV cameras? Because our glorious soldiers of democracy were executing them, even when they&#8217;d thrown down their weapons to surrender. </p>
<p>Of course our troops were involved. Those who think otherwise are living in a pollyanna-ish world where they see only what they want to see. What they want to see obviously doesn&#8217;t involve mass-murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Don. 
The show&#039;s here:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/13/obama_calls_for_probe_into_2001

And these were James Risen&#039;s comments:
&quot;Well, basically, what I tried to look at was, I tried not to get caught up in something that I think in the past has slowed down some of the efforts by journalists to look into this. I think in the past one of the mistakes some journalists made was to try and prove a direct involvement by the US personnel in the massacre itself. I frankly don’t believe that any US military personnel were involved in the massacre. And, you know, US Special Forces troops who were traveling with Dostum have long maintained that they knew nothing about this. And, you know, so I tried not to go down that road.&quot;

I agree that he should have been challenged. While it may well be that US forces were not involved in the journey itself or the arrival at the prison, the Tipton Three explained (as I described it in &lt;em&gt;The Guantanamo Files&lt;/em&gt;), that they &quot;waited for another day until their transportation was arranged, and in their case the container lorries came at night, and the whole sordid spectacle was illuminated by spotlights operated by American Special Forces soldiers,&quot; which makes it pretty clear that US forces were involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Don.<br />
The show&#8217;s here:<br />
<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/13/obama_calls_for_probe_into_2001" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.democracynow.org/2009/7/13/obama_calls_for_probe_into_2001?referer=');">http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/13/obama_calls_for_probe_into_2001</a></p>
<p>And these were James Risen&#8217;s comments:<br />
&#8220;Well, basically, what I tried to look at was, I tried not to get caught up in something that I think in the past has slowed down some of the efforts by journalists to look into this. I think in the past one of the mistakes some journalists made was to try and prove a direct involvement by the US personnel in the massacre itself. I frankly don’t believe that any US military personnel were involved in the massacre. And, you know, US Special Forces troops who were traveling with Dostum have long maintained that they knew nothing about this. And, you know, so I tried not to go down that road.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that he should have been challenged. While it may well be that US forces were not involved in the journey itself or the arrival at the prison, the Tipton Three explained (as I described it in <em>The Guantanamo Files</em>), that they &#8220;waited for another day until their transportation was arranged, and in their case the container lorries came at night, and the whole sordid spectacle was illuminated by spotlights operated by American Special Forces soldiers,&#8221; which makes it pretty clear that US forces were involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Thieme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Thieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw James Risen on Democracy Now today. I was surprised that Amy Goodman let him get away with implying there was any doubt that U.S. personnel were aware of and involved in all of what Dostum did at Sheberghan, Mazar-e-Sharif, and the road between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw James Risen on Democracy Now today. I was surprised that Amy Goodman let him get away with implying there was any doubt that U.S. personnel were aware of and involved in all of what Dostum did at Sheberghan, Mazar-e-Sharif, and the road between them.</p>
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