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	<title>Comments on: 9/11 Commission Director Philip Zelikow Condemns Bush Torture Program</title>
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		<title>By: Finious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 03:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Young Soldiers are realizing that War is a Racket.

http://rhapsodyvillageschooloftantra.blogspot.com/2010/05/our-young-soldiers-are-realizing-that.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Young Soldiers are realizing that War is a Racket.</p>
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		<title>By: “America’s Disappeared” : Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi Has Died In A Libyan Prison &#171; Muslim in Suffer</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/04/21/911-commission-director-philip-zelikow-condemns-bush-torture-program/comment-page-1/#comment-37713</link>
		<dc:creator>“America’s Disappeared” : Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi Has Died In A Libyan Prison &#171; Muslim in Suffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 03:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] About The CIA Torture Memos (Part One), Ten Terrible Truths About The CIA Torture Memos (Part Two), 9/11 Commission Director Philip Zelikow Condemns Bush Torture Program, Who Authorized The Torture of Abu Zubaydah? and CIA Torture Began In Afghanistan 8 Months before [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] About The CIA Torture Memos (Part One), Ten Terrible Truths About The CIA Torture Memos (Part Two), 9/11 Commission Director Philip Zelikow Condemns Bush Torture Program, Who Authorized The Torture of Abu Zubaydah? and CIA Torture Began In Afghanistan 8 Months before [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raosulli,
Thanks for dropping by. I have no doubt that the &quot;painful experience&quot; referred to be Zelikow was the British IRA policy of the 70s and 80s, an unmitigated disaster whose lessons, sadly, appear were ignored by the Bush administration and have also been ignored by our own politicians.
Your documentary project sounds fascinating. Please feel free to stay in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raosulli,<br />
Thanks for dropping by. I have no doubt that the &#8220;painful experience&#8221; referred to be Zelikow was the British IRA policy of the 70s and 80s, an unmitigated disaster whose lessons, sadly, appear were ignored by the Bush administration and have also been ignored by our own politicians.<br />
Your documentary project sounds fascinating. Please feel free to stay in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: the Shackle Report &#187; Blog Archive &#187; tortured policy</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/04/21/911-commission-director-philip-zelikow-condemns-bush-torture-program/comment-page-1/#comment-36823</link>
		<dc:creator>the Shackle Report &#187; Blog Archive &#187; tortured policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Among the gifts he has on offer are, 1) his book (click it to order) 2) this link to a piece by Philip Zelikow, the White Burkett Miller Professor of History at the University of Virginia and ex-deputy to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Connie L. Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie L. Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See posts, Comments below for more information. I am simply shocked!  I am ttrying to comment less, act more but I can&#039;t help myself today!

See the live blog notes here on the Eric Holder, our Attorney General? Hearing Before the US House Subcommittee on Justice, etc. - Just Now --this afternoon.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/41978#comments or simply go to afterdowningstreet dot org

Hearing may have also been covered by MSNBC

Crazy that hundreds onward of Rights groups, known activists &amp; reporters (some LIVE before this hearing) have been following all of this for years, KNOW and have carefully documented the EVIDENCE for YEARS and yet US Attorney General, Eric Holder, says in Future Tense: &quot; IF I see Evidence, I WILL....&quot; How can he have been chosen for this job? What is the world thinking about such a lame answer as this?

ASK - Include in Op Ed - Rep Frank Wolf (R., Va.) asking that ALL the memos be released. 

Also why in the world would our NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL imagine he can get by with not having asked to READ the remaining MEMOS by now?  Why would he not have at least read Andy&#039;s book &amp; articles &amp; others like them? What about ICRC, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, many Jurist &amp; other Legal statements and documents over 6 plus years time, National Pres. of the US Lawyer&#039;s Guild, etc. etc.

 Instead, he said that he was &quot;NOT FAMILIAR&quot; with them - that he had &quot;HEARD ABOUT THEM FROM CHENEY&quot; - who would of course like to keep them a mystery, hidden away from Holder &amp; the rest of us.

What is the excuse for this?

Nevertheless, there were some encouraging statements &amp; questions, at least,  put rather strongly to tentatively - out on one of the US tables of justice  that should help us all to keep on keeping on! Now, we need to call each member of this committee to point out what was missing.

We need to encourage &amp; Push Sen. Russ  Feingold on the need for a Special Prosecutor along with citizens &amp; Congress&#039;s need to Fire Judge Bybee...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See posts, Comments below for more information. I am simply shocked!  I am ttrying to comment less, act more but I can&#8217;t help myself today!</p>
<p>See the live blog notes here on the Eric Holder, our Attorney General? Hearing Before the US House Subcommittee on Justice, etc. &#8211; Just Now &#8211;this afternoon.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/41978#comments" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/41978_comments?referer=');">http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/41978#comments</a> or simply go to afterdowningstreet dot org</p>
<p>Hearing may have also been covered by MSNBC</p>
<p>Crazy that hundreds onward of Rights groups, known activists &amp; reporters (some LIVE before this hearing) have been following all of this for years, KNOW and have carefully documented the EVIDENCE for YEARS and yet US Attorney General, Eric Holder, says in Future Tense: &#8221; IF I see Evidence, I WILL&#8230;.&#8221; How can he have been chosen for this job? What is the world thinking about such a lame answer as this?</p>
<p>ASK &#8211; Include in Op Ed &#8211; Rep Frank Wolf (R., Va.) asking that ALL the memos be released. </p>
<p>Also why in the world would our NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL imagine he can get by with not having asked to READ the remaining MEMOS by now?  Why would he not have at least read Andy&#8217;s book &amp; articles &amp; others like them? What about ICRC, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, many Jurist &amp; other Legal statements and documents over 6 plus years time, National Pres. of the US Lawyer&#8217;s Guild, etc. etc.</p>
<p> Instead, he said that he was &#8220;NOT FAMILIAR&#8221; with them &#8211; that he had &#8220;HEARD ABOUT THEM FROM CHENEY&#8221; &#8211; who would of course like to keep them a mystery, hidden away from Holder &amp; the rest of us.</p>
<p>What is the excuse for this?</p>
<p>Nevertheless, there were some encouraging statements &amp; questions, at least,  put rather strongly to tentatively &#8211; out on one of the US tables of justice  that should help us all to keep on keeping on! Now, we need to call each member of this committee to point out what was missing.</p>
<p>We need to encourage &amp; Push Sen. Russ  Feingold on the need for a Special Prosecutor along with citizens &amp; Congress&#8217;s need to Fire Judge Bybee&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: raosulli</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/04/21/911-commission-director-philip-zelikow-condemns-bush-torture-program/comment-page-1/#comment-36720</link>
		<dc:creator>raosulli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just read a NY Times article where Zelikow is quoted as saying that competent staff could have learned lessons from the &#039;painful British and Israeli experience&#039; regarding the efficacy of torture.  I&#039;m at the early stages of developing a documentary project for British television and I&#039;m wondering if anyone knows what &#039;painful British&#039; experience he&#039;s referring to?  Presumably with respect to the interrogation of IRA captives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just read a NY Times article where Zelikow is quoted as saying that competent staff could have learned lessons from the &#8216;painful British and Israeli experience&#8217; regarding the efficacy of torture.  I&#8217;m at the early stages of developing a documentary project for British television and I&#8217;m wondering if anyone knows what &#8216;painful British&#8217; experience he&#8217;s referring to?  Presumably with respect to the interrogation of IRA captives?</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Madeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Madeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be a pain, but I really don&#039;t see why, security agreements or no security agreements, Mr. Zelikow couldn&#039;t have voiced Nos. 1 and 2 more forcefully before now. He could have found language that would have complied with the letter of the agreements but made his critique available to those who could have taken the ball and run with it. Instead Mr. Zelikow hid his pigskin from view. He&#039;s a smart dude who played it way too safe. Hard to muster even the slightest respect for him. In fact, his complicity with torture calls into question his role as Exec. Direc. of the 9/11 Commission. Probably a whole lot of similar compromise went down in that department too. I think everything he&#039;s touched should be scrutinized for this kind of company man CYA hedge betting bullshit. And his students at UV ought to hold his well-shod feet to the fire and throw a few more logs on it while they&#039;re at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be a pain, but I really don&#8217;t see why, security agreements or no security agreements, Mr. Zelikow couldn&#8217;t have voiced Nos. 1 and 2 more forcefully before now. He could have found language that would have complied with the letter of the agreements but made his critique available to those who could have taken the ball and run with it. Instead Mr. Zelikow hid his pigskin from view. He&#8217;s a smart dude who played it way too safe. Hard to muster even the slightest respect for him. In fact, his complicity with torture calls into question his role as Exec. Direc. of the 9/11 Commission. Probably a whole lot of similar compromise went down in that department too. I think everything he&#8217;s touched should be scrutinized for this kind of company man CYA hedge betting bullshit. And his students at UV ought to hold his well-shod feet to the fire and throw a few more logs on it while they&#8217;re at it.</p>
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