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	<title>Comments on: Binyam Mohamed’s Plea Bargain: Trading Torture For Freedom</title>
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		<title>By: Glenn Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 05:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Worthington....I am a retired public defender in Marin County, California. Have you reported on the contempt citation against Binyam Mohamed&#039;s lawyers, Mr. Smith and Mr. Ghappour, set to be heard before federal District Judge Hogan May 12? I learned of it in this report in the San Francisco Chronicle: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/20/BA68172JDM.DTL&amp;hw=Egelko&amp;sn=006&amp;sc=303. Shortly after a related article appeared: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/22/MN74176I3J.DTL&amp;hw=Egelko&amp;sn=003&amp;sc=805
	Glenn Becker
	Sausalito CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Worthington&#8230;.I am a retired public defender in Marin County, California. Have you reported on the contempt citation against Binyam Mohamed&#8217;s lawyers, Mr. Smith and Mr. Ghappour, set to be heard before federal District Judge Hogan May 12? I learned of it in this report in the San Francisco Chronicle: <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/20/BA68172JDM.DTL&amp;hw=Egelko&amp;sn=006&amp;sc=303" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/20/BA68172JDM.DTL_amp_hw=Egelko_amp_sn=006_amp_sc=303&amp;referer=');">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/20/BA68172JDM.DTL&amp;hw=Egelko&amp;sn=006&amp;sc=303</a>. Shortly after a related article appeared: <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/22/MN74176I3J.DTL&amp;hw=Egelko&amp;sn=003&amp;sc=805" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/22/MN74176I3J.DTL_amp_hw=Egelko_amp_sn=003_amp_sc=805&amp;referer=');">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/22/MN74176I3J.DTL&amp;hw=Egelko&amp;sn=003&amp;sc=805</a><br />
	Glenn Becker<br />
	Sausalito CA</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Andy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Andy.</p>
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		<title>By: FAIR Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Jokes From Howard Kurtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>FAIR Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Jokes From Howard Kurtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] former Guantánamo Bay detainee Binyam Mohamed, after years of being brutally tortured and having never been charged with a crime, to sign a statement saying he was never tortured and that he committed terrorist acts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Darrel Vandeveld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel Vandeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the fine article, too, Andy.  I have to admit that I regret criticizing COL Morris, the Chief Prosecutor, in far too personal a manner, despite my obvious disagreements with the Commissions and the decisions of the past Presidential administration.  Military Commissions as an implement of warfare will continue, unquestionably, and one can hardly fault COL Morris for attempting to fulfill his duties.

That said, Guantanamo and the tribunals/commissions there have been an unqualified disaster, ranking with the decision to go to war with Iraq in 2003.  It&#039;s regrettably part of the human condition to forget so quickly how badly the Administration mislead the American people (and attempted to mislead the world:  Colin Powell&#039;s statement at the UN should not be forgotten, either) into such a disastrous war.  WMD?  Ties to al Qaeda?  Stratergery?  No one, not a single person involved in the decision to go to war, has received any appreciable ill consequence, much less punishment, for a war which has all but vanquished the US as a world power and caused so much death and human suffering.  

Against this forgotten history, it seems not at all cynical to forecast that the same will be true of Gitmo and the Gitmo Military Commissions.  I cannot bring myself to repeat Santayana&#039;s hackneyed phrase, but even that platitudinous observation is appropriate at times.  So let us not forget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the fine article, too, Andy.  I have to admit that I regret criticizing COL Morris, the Chief Prosecutor, in far too personal a manner, despite my obvious disagreements with the Commissions and the decisions of the past Presidential administration.  Military Commissions as an implement of warfare will continue, unquestionably, and one can hardly fault COL Morris for attempting to fulfill his duties.</p>
<p>That said, Guantanamo and the tribunals/commissions there have been an unqualified disaster, ranking with the decision to go to war with Iraq in 2003.  It&#8217;s regrettably part of the human condition to forget so quickly how badly the Administration mislead the American people (and attempted to mislead the world:  Colin Powell&#8217;s statement at the UN should not be forgotten, either) into such a disastrous war.  WMD?  Ties to al Qaeda?  Stratergery?  No one, not a single person involved in the decision to go to war, has received any appreciable ill consequence, much less punishment, for a war which has all but vanquished the US as a world power and caused so much death and human suffering.  </p>
<p>Against this forgotten history, it seems not at all cynical to forecast that the same will be true of Gitmo and the Gitmo Military Commissions.  I cannot bring myself to repeat Santayana&#8217;s hackneyed phrase, but even that platitudinous observation is appropriate at times.  So let us not forget.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TD,
Thanks for reminding readers about the earlier plea bargains. I focused in particular on the Hicks plea bargain in my article last October, The Dark Heart of the Guantanamo Trials:
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/10/01/the-dark-heart-of-the-guantanamo-trials/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TD,<br />
Thanks for reminding readers about the earlier plea bargains. I focused in particular on the Hicks plea bargain in my article last October, The Dark Heart of the Guantanamo Trials:<br />
<a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/10/01/the-dark-heart-of-the-guantanamo-trials/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/10/01/the-dark-heart-of-the-guantanamo-trials/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, 
Good to hear from you, and thanks for the support and encouragement. There are many of us working to shine the light on the Bush administration&#039;s crimes, and, just as the Internet contributed to the last election -- and Obama&#039;s success -- in a manner that had never previously happened, I believe it now provides a unique opportunity for a substantial number of people to expose the crimes and to call those responsible to account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,<br />
Good to hear from you, and thanks for the support and encouragement. There are many of us working to shine the light on the Bush administration&#8217;s crimes, and, just as the Internet contributed to the last election &#8212; and Obama&#8217;s success &#8212; in a manner that had never previously happened, I believe it now provides a unique opportunity for a substantial number of people to expose the crimes and to call those responsible to account.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrel,
Thank you very much for clarifying some issues involving the plea bargain, and, in particular, for stating, &quot;I urge everyone involved in the Commissions to see the light and step out into the light. It’s the American way, and not ours to forfeit.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrel,<br />
Thank you very much for clarifying some issues involving the plea bargain, and, in particular, for stating, &#8220;I urge everyone involved in the Commissions to see the light and step out into the light. It’s the American way, and not ours to forfeit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This from the Talking Dog:

Andy:

Wow.  I suppose this is all consistent with what earlier transpired in &quot;plea negotiations&quot; involving Hicks, who more or less accepted a negotiated sentence that effectively imposed a &quot;temporary&quot; gag order on him at least until after the Howard government could safely get reelected Down Under (bad plan there, Mr. Howard) and Hamdi before him, who agreed to give up his claims against the United States in exchange for being shipped from the Charleston brig to Saudi Arabia. Or, of course, Hicks&#039; fellow Australian Mamdouh Habib who was abruptly released to Australia without charges of any kind just as revelations about his own extraordinary rendition to and torture in Egypt were becoming public, rather than have Habib&#039;s mistreatment be the subject of litigation.

Plea negotiations are, of course, part and parcel of every criminal prosecution in pretty much all jurisdictions everywhere; indeed, risk associated with police or prosecutorial misconduct is often part of both sides&#039; calculus, as is the likelihood of establishing guilt, the quality of evidence and so forth.  Guantánamo was, we were told, supposed to be about the magnitude of the defendants&#039; supposed crimes, so terrible that regular criminal or even court-martial trials were right out.  It seems, however, to have ended up becoming as much or more about covering up the magnitude of crimes done to the defendants (and uncharged detainees) than anything else.  This did, of course, put prosecutors in a &lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt; untenable position.  Regardless of all of this, of course, the commissions in the end only secured three convictions (one of which was Hicks&#039; plea, and another involved al-Bahlul standing mute)...  the commissions did not provide anyone with anything resembling &quot;justice&quot; let alone due process of law. 

On this point, I can think of no one better to quote on this than Lt. Col. Vandeveld (my interview with him is here: http://thetalkingdog.com/archives2/001262.html):

&lt;em&gt;My fundamental conclusion, after eighteen months with the Commissions, was that no lawyer could certify to the Commissions and to opposing counsel that the discovery requirements mandated by the Military Commissions Act and its implementing regulations had been met, so dismal was the condition and organization of the evidence. Hence, I concluded, none of the detainees, or at least those whose cases I examined and evaluated, could be guaranteed a fair trial -- not a perfect trial, which is impossible to achieve in any case, but a trial that afforded the detainees with evident and ascertainable fairness and transparency. The ineluctable consequence of this assessment required me, I believe, as a lawyer, military officer, and a human being, to refuse to participate in the Commissions any longer.&lt;/em&gt;

The more details about the commissions process, and anything else associated with the Rube Goldberg contraption built at Guantánamo Bay &quot;to keep us safe&quot; by Messrs. Bush, Cheney, Addington, Rumsfeld, Yoo, et al., the more of these troubling little details are going to emerge.  Which only goes to show us all the urgency of bringing those responsible for flushing American values down the toilet in the name of security, once and for all:
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/03/23/prosecuting-the-bush-administrations-torturers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from the Talking Dog:</p>
<p>Andy:</p>
<p>Wow.  I suppose this is all consistent with what earlier transpired in &#8220;plea negotiations&#8221; involving Hicks, who more or less accepted a negotiated sentence that effectively imposed a &#8220;temporary&#8221; gag order on him at least until after the Howard government could safely get reelected Down Under (bad plan there, Mr. Howard) and Hamdi before him, who agreed to give up his claims against the United States in exchange for being shipped from the Charleston brig to Saudi Arabia. Or, of course, Hicks&#8217; fellow Australian Mamdouh Habib who was abruptly released to Australia without charges of any kind just as revelations about his own extraordinary rendition to and torture in Egypt were becoming public, rather than have Habib&#8217;s mistreatment be the subject of litigation.</p>
<p>Plea negotiations are, of course, part and parcel of every criminal prosecution in pretty much all jurisdictions everywhere; indeed, risk associated with police or prosecutorial misconduct is often part of both sides&#8217; calculus, as is the likelihood of establishing guilt, the quality of evidence and so forth.  Guantánamo was, we were told, supposed to be about the magnitude of the defendants&#8217; supposed crimes, so terrible that regular criminal or even court-martial trials were right out.  It seems, however, to have ended up becoming as much or more about covering up the magnitude of crimes done to the defendants (and uncharged detainees) than anything else.  This did, of course, put prosecutors in a <em>per se</em> untenable position.  Regardless of all of this, of course, the commissions in the end only secured three convictions (one of which was Hicks&#8217; plea, and another involved al-Bahlul standing mute)&#8230;  the commissions did not provide anyone with anything resembling &#8220;justice&#8221; let alone due process of law. </p>
<p>On this point, I can think of no one better to quote on this than Lt. Col. Vandeveld (my interview with him is here: <a href="http://thetalkingdog.com/archives2/001262.html)" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/thetalkingdog.com/archives2/001262.html?referer=');">http://thetalkingdog.com/archives2/001262.html)</a>:</p>
<p><em>My fundamental conclusion, after eighteen months with the Commissions, was that no lawyer could certify to the Commissions and to opposing counsel that the discovery requirements mandated by the Military Commissions Act and its implementing regulations had been met, so dismal was the condition and organization of the evidence. Hence, I concluded, none of the detainees, or at least those whose cases I examined and evaluated, could be guaranteed a fair trial &#8212; not a perfect trial, which is impossible to achieve in any case, but a trial that afforded the detainees with evident and ascertainable fairness and transparency. The ineluctable consequence of this assessment required me, I believe, as a lawyer, military officer, and a human being, to refuse to participate in the Commissions any longer.</em></p>
<p>The more details about the commissions process, and anything else associated with the Rube Goldberg contraption built at Guantánamo Bay &#8220;to keep us safe&#8221; by Messrs. Bush, Cheney, Addington, Rumsfeld, Yoo, et al., the more of these troubling little details are going to emerge.  Which only goes to show us all the urgency of bringing those responsible for flushing American values down the toilet in the name of security, once and for all:<br />
<a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/03/23/prosecuting-the-bush-administrations-torturers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/03/23/prosecuting-the-bush-administrations-torturers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Northington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Northington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the sun continue to shine into the dark corners of Bush/Cheney.  The horror of the ongoing revelations is beyond belief, but we must get to the full truth if we are to avoid any future occurrence of similar events.  The truth and only the truth will set us free.

Thanks, Andy, for another fine story.  The work is tough, but you do a fine job of getting the word out.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the sun continue to shine into the dark corners of Bush/Cheney.  The horror of the ongoing revelations is beyond belief, but we must get to the full truth if we are to avoid any future occurrence of similar events.  The truth and only the truth will set us free.</p>
<p>Thanks, Andy, for another fine story.  The work is tough, but you do a fine job of getting the word out.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel Vandeveld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel Vandeveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so the record is clear to anyone involved in the legal profession:  There is no such thing as an &quot;Army Public Defender.&quot;  There are Trial Defense Service lawyers, who do a fine job, in some cases, outstanding jobs, but as we&#039;ve seen throughout these Commissions, anyone dissenting from the military&#039;s rule by apparatchik fiat pays a heavy personal price. Moreover, while COL Morris certainly has a difficult job, he&#039;s being somewhat disingenuous when he invokes the rules of professional conduct to avoid explaining his role in the last-minute plea bargain.  The restrictions apply only when such discussions might impede justice in a particular case; here, obviously, there is no longer any case against BM, and BM&#039;s own attorneys and the High Court disclosed the negotiations in the first place.  To intimate that one is suffering a minor form of martyrdom (&quot;I will bear that cost in this incident as well&quot; [I suppose this implies that one has suffered in silence when wronged before by other &quot;incidents&quot;]) because of professional restraints is false.  But this lack of candor -- truthfulness, even -- is precisely what we&#039;ve come to expect from tribunals/commissions that have seen precisely three prosecutions in almost eight years of effort.  I urge everyone involved in the Commissions to see the light and step out into the light.  It&#039;s the American way, and not ours to forfeit.   BTW, COL Morris, a fundamentally decent man whose values have been distorted by his role, could and should set the example of benevolent, wise leadership, as opposed to destructive, ill-conceived politicking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so the record is clear to anyone involved in the legal profession:  There is no such thing as an &#8220;Army Public Defender.&#8221;  There are Trial Defense Service lawyers, who do a fine job, in some cases, outstanding jobs, but as we&#8217;ve seen throughout these Commissions, anyone dissenting from the military&#8217;s rule by apparatchik fiat pays a heavy personal price. Moreover, while COL Morris certainly has a difficult job, he&#8217;s being somewhat disingenuous when he invokes the rules of professional conduct to avoid explaining his role in the last-minute plea bargain.  The restrictions apply only when such discussions might impede justice in a particular case; here, obviously, there is no longer any case against BM, and BM&#8217;s own attorneys and the High Court disclosed the negotiations in the first place.  To intimate that one is suffering a minor form of martyrdom (&#8221;I will bear that cost in this incident as well&#8221; [I suppose this implies that one has suffered in silence when wronged before by other "incidents"]) because of professional restraints is false.  But this lack of candor &#8212; truthfulness, even &#8212; is precisely what we&#8217;ve come to expect from tribunals/commissions that have seen precisely three prosecutions in almost eight years of effort.  I urge everyone involved in the Commissions to see the light and step out into the light.  It&#8217;s the American way, and not ours to forfeit.   BTW, COL Morris, a fundamentally decent man whose values have been distorted by his role, could and should set the example of benevolent, wise leadership, as opposed to destructive, ill-conceived politicking.</p>
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