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	<title>Comments on: Who Is Binyam Mohamed, the British resident released from Guantánamo?</title>
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		<title>By: UK Judges Order Release Of Details About The Torture Of Binyam Mohamed By US Agents by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>UK Judges Order Release Of Details About The Torture Of Binyam Mohamed By US Agents by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to take the heat off both the British and American governments, Binyam Mohamed was actually released from Guantánamo, arriving back in the UK on February 23, but the case, of course, had a lumbering legal life of its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to take the heat off both the British and American governments, Binyam Mohamed was actually released from Guantánamo, arriving back in the UK on February 23, but the case, of course, had a lumbering legal life of its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting article Mr Worthington but hardly very balanced.

What exactly was Binyam doing in Pakistan?  Who financed his travel?  Who does he know in Pakistan or Afganistan?  What exactly were the circumstances of his arrest?  What are the suspicions of the Pakistan security services that led them to arrest him?  What was the visa contravention?  Was it that he was travelling on a false passport?

There are many questions that the British public should be provided answers to so, if you wish to prove yourself as a truly good journalist, rather than someone who appears to be doing nothing other than promoting your agenda [whatever it may be], then please go and investigate what it was that led to his arrest in the first place.  That would be a &#039;real&#039; story.

And last of all, let us not forget that he is [apparently] an Ethiopian, and if he is so distressed by his treatment here [in the west] he is always at liberty to return to his native country where I am quite sure he will enjoy a tranquil and prosperous future.  

I don&#039;t believe in torture as it happens, but then the definition of torture has been hijacked to the extent whereby denying an individual things, that were only a decade previously considered to be luxuries, is considered by the bleeding heart liberals to be an infringement of human rights and &#039;torture&#039;, so please let us try and keep this event within context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting article Mr Worthington but hardly very balanced.</p>
<p>What exactly was Binyam doing in Pakistan?  Who financed his travel?  Who does he know in Pakistan or Afganistan?  What exactly were the circumstances of his arrest?  What are the suspicions of the Pakistan security services that led them to arrest him?  What was the visa contravention?  Was it that he was travelling on a false passport?</p>
<p>There are many questions that the British public should be provided answers to so, if you wish to prove yourself as a truly good journalist, rather than someone who appears to be doing nothing other than promoting your agenda [whatever it may be], then please go and investigate what it was that led to his arrest in the first place.  That would be a &#8216;real&#8217; story.</p>
<p>And last of all, let us not forget that he is [apparently] an Ethiopian, and if he is so distressed by his treatment here [in the west] he is always at liberty to return to his native country where I am quite sure he will enjoy a tranquil and prosperous future.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe in torture as it happens, but then the definition of torture has been hijacked to the extent whereby denying an individual things, that were only a decade previously considered to be luxuries, is considered by the bleeding heart liberals to be an infringement of human rights and &#8216;torture&#8217;, so please let us try and keep this event within context.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hugui,
I recommend my book &quot;The Guantanamo Files&quot; for the stories of the Guantanamo prisoners subjected to &quot;extraordinary rendition&quot;:
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/the-guantanamo-files/ 
And a few additional stories here:
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/the-guantanamo-files-website-extras-11-the-last-of-the-afghans-part-one-and-six-ghost-prisoners/ 
I also wholeheartedly recommend Stephen Grey&#039;s &quot;Ghost Plane&quot; for the bigger picture, as it&#039;s the only book to date that attempts to cover the whole sordid saga:
http://www.ghostplane.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hugui,<br />
I recommend my book &#8220;The Guantanamo Files&#8221; for the stories of the Guantanamo prisoners subjected to &#8220;extraordinary rendition&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/the-guantanamo-files/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/the-guantanamo-files/</a><br />
And a few additional stories here:<br />
<a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/the-guantanamo-files-website-extras-11-the-last-of-the-afghans-part-one-and-six-ghost-prisoners/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/the-guantanamo-files-website-extras-11-the-last-of-the-afghans-part-one-and-six-ghost-prisoners/</a><br />
I also wholeheartedly recommend Stephen Grey&#8217;s &#8220;Ghost Plane&#8221; for the bigger picture, as it&#8217;s the only book to date that attempts to cover the whole sordid saga:<br />
<a href="http://www.ghostplane.net/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.ghostplane.net/?referer=');">http://www.ghostplane.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hugui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am doing an essay about extraordinary rendition and I haven&#039;t heard about it before. I am aware of now because it is talked about in the media and because of the case of Binyam. It is heartbreaking to know that people don&#039;t care about other human being. How such Prison can be open. I don&#039;t agree with terrorism, how is it better to fight terrorism with terrorism? 

For answering the question about the public opinion, well people don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on and they don&#039;t care to know really because it doesn&#039;t concern them. However, those issues need to be in the public eye, in order for people to have an opinion or even sympathize with someone like Binyam because he wasn&#039;t treated as human.

I would like to know if you can advice me on what to read, where it is explained better on Extraordinary Rendition. And thank you so much for your articles and your information.

Best,

Hugui</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doing an essay about extraordinary rendition and I haven&#8217;t heard about it before. I am aware of now because it is talked about in the media and because of the case of Binyam. It is heartbreaking to know that people don&#8217;t care about other human being. How such Prison can be open. I don&#8217;t agree with terrorism, how is it better to fight terrorism with terrorism? </p>
<p>For answering the question about the public opinion, well people don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on and they don&#8217;t care to know really because it doesn&#8217;t concern them. However, those issues need to be in the public eye, in order for people to have an opinion or even sympathize with someone like Binyam because he wasn&#8217;t treated as human.</p>
<p>I would like to know if you can advice me on what to read, where it is explained better on Extraordinary Rendition. And thank you so much for your articles and your information.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Hugui</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And my reply:

Thank you, Elena. That last line is particularly heartening!

Couldn’t agree more about the Senate’s deliberately circumscribed plans to investigate whether torture worked. What depresses me is how unwilling most elected representatives are to hold the executive to account. It’s ironic that Cheney and Addington in particular had such disdain for Congress, when all the evidence shows that, had they been less secretive and less disdainful, the politicians would have approved almost every piece of torture legislation that was pushed their way. 

If we are going to see real change, Obama needs to get the politicians working on the side of justice …

Best,
Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And my reply:</p>
<p>Thank you, Elena. That last line is particularly heartening!</p>
<p>Couldn’t agree more about the Senate’s deliberately circumscribed plans to investigate whether torture worked. What depresses me is how unwilling most elected representatives are to hold the executive to account. It’s ironic that Cheney and Addington in particular had such disdain for Congress, when all the evidence shows that, had they been less secretive and less disdainful, the politicians would have approved almost every piece of torture legislation that was pushed their way. </p>
<p>If we are going to see real change, Obama needs to get the politicians working on the side of justice …</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Elena’s reply:

Hi Andy,

It&#039;s interesting and a little surprising to hear that opinion is so divided.  Somehow I always have the impression -- maybe it&#039;s a naive hope -- that people outside the US are savvier when it comes to seeing through issues like torture and rendition.  That people would reject the idea that a boy of 15 should be rehabilitated and that expression of such a view marked a low point on the site is astounding.  Sensibility, reason, and morality are indeed in short supply.

I can understand why the Obama administration has taken the position it has.  But that position is entirely inconsistent with any promise of change.  It&#039;s a veritable slap in the face to all those who know very well that crimes have been committed.  Sweeping such crimes under the state secrets rug doesn&#039;t make them any less real.  

I hope the demands for investigation and prosecutions continue.  Hopefully, these calls will actually lead to some serious accounting of the last eight years.  You&#039;ve probably seen that today&#039;s NY Times reported that the Senate Intelligence Committee will continue to investigate the rendition program.  But somehow this news isn&#039;t particularly heartening given that among the questions the Committee apparently plans to pursue is &quot;did it work?&quot;  That is, does rendition, a web of secret prisons, and torture work? 

Putting aside the fact that countless scholars and experts in law enforcement and intelligence have already addressed the question of whether torture ever works (the answer to that question, being no), let&#039;s just imagine for a second that someone argues that it did work.  What&#039;s the Committee&#039;s next step?  Does it legalize torture?  Alan Dershowitz&#039;s dream will have come true.  I shudder to think that these are the Senate&#039;s best efforts at seeking accountability.

Keep writing, sensible people will find you.

Elena</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Elena’s reply:</p>
<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting and a little surprising to hear that opinion is so divided.  Somehow I always have the impression &#8212; maybe it&#8217;s a naive hope &#8212; that people outside the US are savvier when it comes to seeing through issues like torture and rendition.  That people would reject the idea that a boy of 15 should be rehabilitated and that expression of such a view marked a low point on the site is astounding.  Sensibility, reason, and morality are indeed in short supply.</p>
<p>I can understand why the Obama administration has taken the position it has.  But that position is entirely inconsistent with any promise of change.  It&#8217;s a veritable slap in the face to all those who know very well that crimes have been committed.  Sweeping such crimes under the state secrets rug doesn&#8217;t make them any less real.  </p>
<p>I hope the demands for investigation and prosecutions continue.  Hopefully, these calls will actually lead to some serious accounting of the last eight years.  You&#8217;ve probably seen that today&#8217;s NY Times reported that the Senate Intelligence Committee will continue to investigate the rendition program.  But somehow this news isn&#8217;t particularly heartening given that among the questions the Committee apparently plans to pursue is &#8220;did it work?&#8221;  That is, does rendition, a web of secret prisons, and torture work? </p>
<p>Putting aside the fact that countless scholars and experts in law enforcement and intelligence have already addressed the question of whether torture ever works (the answer to that question, being no), let&#8217;s just imagine for a second that someone argues that it did work.  What&#8217;s the Committee&#8217;s next step?  Does it legalize torture?  Alan Dershowitz&#8217;s dream will have come true.  I shudder to think that these are the Senate&#8217;s best efforts at seeking accountability.</p>
<p>Keep writing, sensible people will find you.</p>
<p>Elena</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was my reply:

Hi Elena, 
I think opinion about Binyam is very divided -- some people are very supportive, others are incredibly opposed to his return. I&#039;m getting more snide comments on my site than at any other time - except perhaps in connection with Omar Khadr. That was a real low point, when people took exception to me suggesting that someone who was 15 when seized should perhaps have been rehabilitated rather than abused. 
The Jeppesen case caused a stir when the Obama administration flatly refused to consider it, but it soon died down. As I wrote at the time, I can understand why the Justice department didn&#039;t want to open up a route that would allow all personnel involved in rendition and torture to criminal liability, which I&#039;m prepared to accept, but only if the administration eventually pursues those responsible for authorizing rendition and torture. I&#039;m not holding my breath, of course, but I really don&#039;t see how they can refuse point-blank, as the only message that sends is that you can do whatever you want, and break whatever laws you want, so long as you get voted out of office at the end of it all. 
Best, 
Andy

The Jeppesen case was discussed here:
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/02/12/hiding-torture-and-freeing-binyam-mohamed-from-guantanamo/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my reply:</p>
<p>Hi Elena,<br />
I think opinion about Binyam is very divided &#8212; some people are very supportive, others are incredibly opposed to his return. I&#8217;m getting more snide comments on my site than at any other time &#8211; except perhaps in connection with Omar Khadr. That was a real low point, when people took exception to me suggesting that someone who was 15 when seized should perhaps have been rehabilitated rather than abused.<br />
The Jeppesen case caused a stir when the Obama administration flatly refused to consider it, but it soon died down. As I wrote at the time, I can understand why the Justice department didn&#8217;t want to open up a route that would allow all personnel involved in rendition and torture to criminal liability, which I&#8217;m prepared to accept, but only if the administration eventually pursues those responsible for authorizing rendition and torture. I&#8217;m not holding my breath, of course, but I really don&#8217;t see how they can refuse point-blank, as the only message that sends is that you can do whatever you want, and break whatever laws you want, so long as you get voted out of office at the end of it all.<br />
Best,<br />
Andy</p>
<p>The Jeppesen case was discussed here:<br />
<a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/02/12/hiding-torture-and-freeing-binyam-mohamed-from-guantanamo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/02/12/hiding-torture-and-freeing-binyam-mohamed-from-guantanamo/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just received the following:

Hello Andy,

I&#039;m curious to know if you have the sense of the public&#039;s reaction to Binyam&#039;s arrival in the UK?  You mentioned in a posting that the media probably won&#039;t provide any sympathetic characterizations of Binyam and that some have questioned why he should be allowed to return.  But there is sometimes a great expanse between the views reported in the press and real public sentiment.  I know, however, that this is difficult to measure.

Would you know if there is any discussion of the Jeppesen case in the press too?

On a personal note, as someone who has tried to follow Binyam&#039;s story for some time now, I can&#039;t believe he&#039;s home and still can&#039;t believe that it took all these years.  I just searched through my emails for when I first learned about his story, way back in Sept of 2006, at a presentation given at NYU.  It&#039;s truly incredible to reflect on what the US government has done to human beings...

Best,
Elena</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just received the following:</p>
<p>Hello Andy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to know if you have the sense of the public&#8217;s reaction to Binyam&#8217;s arrival in the UK?  You mentioned in a posting that the media probably won&#8217;t provide any sympathetic characterizations of Binyam and that some have questioned why he should be allowed to return.  But there is sometimes a great expanse between the views reported in the press and real public sentiment.  I know, however, that this is difficult to measure.</p>
<p>Would you know if there is any discussion of the Jeppesen case in the press too?</p>
<p>On a personal note, as someone who has tried to follow Binyam&#8217;s story for some time now, I can&#8217;t believe he&#8217;s home and still can&#8217;t believe that it took all these years.  I just searched through my emails for when I first learned about his story, way back in Sept of 2006, at a presentation given at NYU.  It&#8217;s truly incredible to reflect on what the US government has done to human beings&#8230;</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Elena</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive (Stafford Smith) just sent me a brief but very welcome message:

&quot;I spent two hours today walking with Binyam, the first time he has gone more than 5 feet without shackles in 7 years.&quot;

Just so we can all keep some perspective about the Geneva Conventions to which Guantanamo now allegedly conforms ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive (Stafford Smith) just sent me a brief but very welcome message:</p>
<p>&#8220;I spent two hours today walking with Binyam, the first time he has gone more than 5 feet without shackles in 7 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just so we can all keep some perspective about the Geneva Conventions to which Guantanamo now allegedly conforms &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &quot;Shocked&quot;
To answer your question, I&#039;m sure those involved in al-Qaeda had no idea that the Bush administration would be so foolish as to create a lawless prison, fill it, for the most part, with people who were not terrorists, and then humiliate them, abuse them and torture them for over seven years. But having done so, of course, it&#039;s paid great dividends for the al-Qaeda brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8220;Shocked&#8221;<br />
To answer your question, I&#8217;m sure those involved in al-Qaeda had no idea that the Bush administration would be so foolish as to create a lawless prison, fill it, for the most part, with people who were not terrorists, and then humiliate them, abuse them and torture them for over seven years. But having done so, of course, it&#8217;s paid great dividends for the al-Qaeda brand.</p>
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