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		<title>By: Murders at Guantánamo: The Cover-Up Continues &#171; roger hollander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murders at Guantánamo: The Cover-Up Continues &#171; roger hollander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; and particularly in the last six months &#8211; have demonstrated. The first of these was the publication, in August 2008, of the official report into the deaths, conducted by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. The report &#8211; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; and particularly in the last six months &#8211; have demonstrated. The first of these was the publication, in August 2008, of the official report into the deaths, conducted by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. The report &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Third Anniversary of a Death in Guantánamo 31.5.10 &#171; freedetainees.org</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/08/25/guantanamo-suicide-report-truth-or-travesty/comment-page-1/#comment-59044</link>
		<dc:creator>The Third Anniversary of a Death in Guantánamo 31.5.10 &#171; freedetainees.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guantánamo charges (June 2008), Second anniversary of triple suicide at Guantánamo (June 2008), Guantánamo Suicide Report: Truth or Travesty? (August 2008), The Pentagon Can’t Count: 22 Juveniles Held at Guantánamo (November 2008), Seven [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Guantánamo charges (June 2008), Second anniversary of triple suicide at Guantánamo (June 2008), Guantánamo Suicide Report: Truth or Travesty? (August 2008), The Pentagon Can’t Count: 22 Juveniles Held at Guantánamo (November 2008), Seven [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Malka Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malka Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Freshman, I am always looking online for articles that can help me get further ahead.  Thanks a million!</description>
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		<title>By: Murders at Guantánamo: Scott Horton of Harper’s Exposes the Truth about the 2006 “Suicides” &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murders at Guantánamo: Scott Horton of Harper’s Exposes the Truth about the 2006 “Suicides” &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] produced a report in August 2008, accompanied by a brief and unenlightening statement, which I discussed here, and in December 2009 the Seton Hall Law School produced a devastating analysis of the flawed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Guantánamo’s Hidden History: Shocking Statistics of Starvation by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guantánamo’s Hidden History: Shocking Statistics of Starvation by Andy Worthington &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] maintain that the men died by committing suicide, although doubts about this explanation have repeatedly been voiced by former prisoners. However, it is also significant that all five men were long-term hunger [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Guantánamo: A Prison Built On Lies &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/08/25/guantanamo-suicide-report-truth-or-travesty/comment-page-1/#comment-38378</link>
		<dc:creator>Guantánamo: A Prison Built On Lies &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 05:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one of the 15, Ali Abdullah Ahmed al-Salami, was one of three prisoners who died in Guantánamo in June 2006, apparently by committing suicide, nine of the surviving 14 prisoners have maintained [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
		<link>http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2008/08/25/guantanamo-suicide-report-truth-or-travesty/comment-page-1/#comment-28610</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to another message I sent to Dianne, in which I stated, “I noticed that you mentioned the ‘Ghost Dance’ of the Plains Indians and wondered if you knew that I had made the same analogy in my book “The Guantánamo Files,” Dianne wrote:

Actually, not having read your book, I think I just drew on the universal unconscious or something to come up with Ghost Dance. And perhaps it is something in my own history. I grew up in a (then) sparsely populated (by whites, that is) Southern California, and went to a public elementary school attended in large proportion by &quot;Mexicans&quot;, which may have included local Indian tribes so designated by the ignorant. The treatment of them by Midwestern school-teachers was interesting -- I cannot get the sullen faces of some of the boys out of my mind. In fact, they look a lot like &quot;al Qaeda&quot; suspects. My first thought of the &quot;attack&quot; on 9/11 was of being beset by &quot;Indians&quot; attacking &quot;civilization.&quot; This was where my American mind lived in deep denial of its origins. So my Ghost Dance analogy may have come as a feeble attempt on my part to acknowledge our own power of destruction and stupidity, as a nation. 

I won&#039;t go as far as Reverend Wright of Obama fame. But I will say with Michelle Obama that if I am proud of something America does, the occasions for pride are few and far between. Like a Midwestern schoolteacher, I might just say that right now “I am very disappointed” in her (my country&#039;s whites and their suck-ups like Gonzales and John Yoo). Owning up to the bad stuff is going to be rough sledding, but if this is to be an “ownership society” we must (pace Obama&#039;s nomination speech).

This was my reply:

What a fascinating account, Dianne, reminding me of how many different Americas make up the United States. I agree with you about how difficult it will be to address all the injustices of the past seven years, but it is, of course, absolutely imperative for all of us. I can, however, see how taxing it is for the many Americans who simply cannot bear to look in the mirror, and look at their country&#039;s warmongering history, with any honesty. We have the same problem in the UK, of course, which is why it&#039;s easier for people to criticize America than wondering why “terror suspects” are being held without charge or trial in the UK too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to another message I sent to Dianne, in which I stated, “I noticed that you mentioned the ‘Ghost Dance’ of the Plains Indians and wondered if you knew that I had made the same analogy in my book “The Guantánamo Files,” Dianne wrote:</p>
<p>Actually, not having read your book, I think I just drew on the universal unconscious or something to come up with Ghost Dance. And perhaps it is something in my own history. I grew up in a (then) sparsely populated (by whites, that is) Southern California, and went to a public elementary school attended in large proportion by &#8220;Mexicans&#8221;, which may have included local Indian tribes so designated by the ignorant. The treatment of them by Midwestern school-teachers was interesting &#8212; I cannot get the sullen faces of some of the boys out of my mind. In fact, they look a lot like &#8220;al Qaeda&#8221; suspects. My first thought of the &#8220;attack&#8221; on 9/11 was of being beset by &#8220;Indians&#8221; attacking &#8220;civilization.&#8221; This was where my American mind lived in deep denial of its origins. So my Ghost Dance analogy may have come as a feeble attempt on my part to acknowledge our own power of destruction and stupidity, as a nation. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t go as far as Reverend Wright of Obama fame. But I will say with Michelle Obama that if I am proud of something America does, the occasions for pride are few and far between. Like a Midwestern schoolteacher, I might just say that right now “I am very disappointed” in her (my country&#8217;s whites and their suck-ups like Gonzales and John Yoo). Owning up to the bad stuff is going to be rough sledding, but if this is to be an “ownership society” we must (pace Obama&#8217;s nomination speech).</p>
<p>This was my reply:</p>
<p>What a fascinating account, Dianne, reminding me of how many different Americas make up the United States. I agree with you about how difficult it will be to address all the injustices of the past seven years, but it is, of course, absolutely imperative for all of us. I can, however, see how taxing it is for the many Americans who simply cannot bear to look in the mirror, and look at their country&#8217;s warmongering history, with any honesty. We have the same problem in the UK, of course, which is why it&#8217;s easier for people to criticize America than wondering why “terror suspects” are being held without charge or trial in the UK too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that we have had Sarah Palin, Republican nominee for Vice President, state to a cheering Republican convention audience that &quot;Obama (when taking &#039;people who want to destroy America&#039; - paraphrase-) wants to read them their rights,&quot; it&#039;s probably time to remind the Republicans that many innocent people have been swept up in the renditions around the world which have led to their torture and other human rights violations which in any other nation (Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, present-day Russia) we would, with justification, deplore. Unfortunately, the good and evil concepts are distorted at the moment, in the minds of some. Good is what they are, evil is what others are. Fear is a potent motivator. Nothing like 9/11 had ever happened in the US. It is a frequently used thought stopper. Whenever the shock is applied, by those confident and smug that its effect will grant them ever greater powers to intimidate and control, few seem to question why these &quot;brave&quot; souls do not include themselves in the definition of those who could be hurt by false moves, the hauling in of the wrong suspects (while the guilty are permitted to commit further harm). No, there is no quality control on their actions. They are playing the oldest games, where power is based on force, faith and common blood. Knowledge, understanding and communication would interfere with that. Victory is what they say they seek, and at least at the ballot box, they mean to have it by fair means or foul. Tomorrow, they say, belongs to them, and anyone who equivocates or advocates for the weak and falsely accused is a traitor. And yet, as some have pointed out, the whirlwind is empty. Governor Palin is riding high, and it is hard to accuse her of hypocrisy - her own son is being deployed to Iraq on 9/11/08. Has no one told her that the Iraqis did not do 9/11? I don&#039;t think she would find that useful to believe. It would get in the way of the symbolism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we have had Sarah Palin, Republican nominee for Vice President, state to a cheering Republican convention audience that &#8220;Obama (when taking &#8216;people who want to destroy America&#8217; &#8211; paraphrase-) wants to read them their rights,&#8221; it&#8217;s probably time to remind the Republicans that many innocent people have been swept up in the renditions around the world which have led to their torture and other human rights violations which in any other nation (Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, present-day Russia) we would, with justification, deplore. Unfortunately, the good and evil concepts are distorted at the moment, in the minds of some. Good is what they are, evil is what others are. Fear is a potent motivator. Nothing like 9/11 had ever happened in the US. It is a frequently used thought stopper. Whenever the shock is applied, by those confident and smug that its effect will grant them ever greater powers to intimidate and control, few seem to question why these &#8220;brave&#8221; souls do not include themselves in the definition of those who could be hurt by false moves, the hauling in of the wrong suspects (while the guilty are permitted to commit further harm). No, there is no quality control on their actions. They are playing the oldest games, where power is based on force, faith and common blood. Knowledge, understanding and communication would interfere with that. Victory is what they say they seek, and at least at the ballot box, they mean to have it by fair means or foul. Tomorrow, they say, belongs to them, and anyone who equivocates or advocates for the weak and falsely accused is a traitor. And yet, as some have pointed out, the whirlwind is empty. Governor Palin is riding high, and it is hard to accuse her of hypocrisy &#8211; her own son is being deployed to Iraq on 9/11/08. Has no one told her that the Iraqis did not do 9/11? I don&#8217;t think she would find that useful to believe. It would get in the way of the symbolism.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment above was in response to my reply to Dianne’s comment to Antiwar.com, in which I stated, simply, “Thanks for the excellent comments, Dianne. I too hope that one day the truth will be revealed.”

This was my reply to Dianne’s second comment, above:

Hi Dianne, 
”If truth is the first casualty of war, skepticism must be the grieving relative.” 
Nicely put. Your dinner sounded disturbing, but I find all reports of professionals turning a blind eye to what&#039;s going on to be so. Throughout history, tyrants need their workers - even those on the frontline of horrific experiences - just to get on with their jobs and not raise murmurs of dissent in their minds that would lead to corrosive self-doubt and sleepless nights. It&#039;s why the mission of those combating the cruel and illegal practices of the &quot;War on Terror&quot; has to constantly focus on humanizing the prisoners involved. It appears, unfortunately, to be far too easy to abuse a dehumanized enemy. 
With best wishes, 
Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment above was in response to my reply to Dianne’s comment to Antiwar.com, in which I stated, simply, “Thanks for the excellent comments, Dianne. I too hope that one day the truth will be revealed.”</p>
<p>This was my reply to Dianne’s second comment, above:</p>
<p>Hi Dianne,<br />
”If truth is the first casualty of war, skepticism must be the grieving relative.”<br />
Nicely put. Your dinner sounded disturbing, but I find all reports of professionals turning a blind eye to what&#8217;s going on to be so. Throughout history, tyrants need their workers &#8211; even those on the frontline of horrific experiences &#8211; just to get on with their jobs and not raise murmurs of dissent in their minds that would lead to corrosive self-doubt and sleepless nights. It&#8217;s why the mission of those combating the cruel and illegal practices of the &#8220;War on Terror&#8221; has to constantly focus on humanizing the prisoners involved. It appears, unfortunately, to be far too easy to abuse a dehumanized enemy.<br />
With best wishes,<br />
Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Worthington,   
Thanks for your reply to this letter. If truth is the first casualty of war, skepticism must be the grieving relative. 

The three men were found dead in June, 2006. In October, 2005, I happened to be at a friend&#039;s induction into the Institute of Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. On one of the days of the ceremonies, there was a luncheon held for doctors who were interested in the problem of physicians at Guantanamo. I cannot remember exactly how the invitation to the sign-up for the luncheon put it - certainly no admissions of facilitating torture by anyone in the medical profession. At any rate, this gathering confined its interest to the cases where physicians assisted in force-feeding of &quot;attempted suicide&quot; hunger strikers. I recall that one elderly fellow, with a Southern accent, stated that if force-feeding was torture, he had, in his medical practice, done it (presumably on anorexics - nobody asked him when or why). At the time, as a guest, I felt it was out of order for me to say anything. I just wanted to find out what was going on. And I found the group more interested in consuming their lunches than in asking questions of this man or others, even though everyone there had self-selected to be there. Clearly, force-feeding was regarded as a problem to be reckoned with. Even if the doctors were not activists, it may be that they had begun to balk at their role in Guantanamo, or the perceived roles of those serving there. I am not a doctor myself and I have declined to return to these annual affairs in Washington, nor do I know what this committee is up to these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Worthington,<br />
Thanks for your reply to this letter. If truth is the first casualty of war, skepticism must be the grieving relative. </p>
<p>The three men were found dead in June, 2006. In October, 2005, I happened to be at a friend&#8217;s induction into the Institute of Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. On one of the days of the ceremonies, there was a luncheon held for doctors who were interested in the problem of physicians at Guantanamo. I cannot remember exactly how the invitation to the sign-up for the luncheon put it &#8211; certainly no admissions of facilitating torture by anyone in the medical profession. At any rate, this gathering confined its interest to the cases where physicians assisted in force-feeding of &#8220;attempted suicide&#8221; hunger strikers. I recall that one elderly fellow, with a Southern accent, stated that if force-feeding was torture, he had, in his medical practice, done it (presumably on anorexics &#8211; nobody asked him when or why). At the time, as a guest, I felt it was out of order for me to say anything. I just wanted to find out what was going on. And I found the group more interested in consuming their lunches than in asking questions of this man or others, even though everyone there had self-selected to be there. Clearly, force-feeding was regarded as a problem to be reckoned with. Even if the doctors were not activists, it may be that they had begun to balk at their role in Guantanamo, or the perceived roles of those serving there. I am not a doctor myself and I have declined to return to these annual affairs in Washington, nor do I know what this committee is up to these days.</p>
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