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	<title>Comments on: Fact Sheet: The 16 Prisoners Charged in Guantánamo’s Trials</title>
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		<title>By: The Logic of the 9/11 Trials, The Madness of the Military Commissions &#171; Dandelion Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Logic of the 9/11 Trials, The Madness of the Military Commissions &#171; Dandelion Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] last man to be put forward to face a trial by Military Commission is Noor Uthman Muhammed, also from Sudan. On May 23, 2008, Muhammed was charged with conspiracy and providing material [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Military Commissions Revived: Don’t Do It, Mr. President! &#171; freedetainees.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Military Commissions Revived: Don’t Do It, Mr. President! &#171; freedetainees.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] shameless propaganda over 9/11 trials (April 2008), Betrayals, backsliding and boycotts (May 2008), Fact Sheet: The 16 prisoners charged (May 2008), Afghan fantasist to face trial (June 2008), 9/11 trial defendants cry torture (June [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] shameless propaganda over 9/11 trials (April 2008), Betrayals, backsliding and boycotts (May 2008), Fact Sheet: The 16 prisoners charged (May 2008), Afghan fantasist to face trial (June 2008), 9/11 trial defendants cry torture (June [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the talking dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>the talking dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Andy; this is about as comprehensive a treatment as I have seen of this matter of &quot;the new and improved&quot; commissions.

A big question -- and at least 4, maybe even 5 Supreme Court Justices get it after their &lt;i&gt;Hamdan&lt;/i&gt; decision-- is whether, regardless of the 2006 MCA Congressional rubber stamp, &quot;military commissions&quot; even &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; try persons for matters such as &quot;conspiracy&quot; or &quot;providing material support to terrorists&quot; which are not, and have never been recognized as, violations of the laws of war.  Military judges seem to wonder about that too (recall last year&#039;s flap finding no such thing as &quot;enemy combatants&quot; and no determination of &quot;unlawful enemy combatants&quot;, only to be overruled by an improvised appeals panel.)

And of course, the new premise still seems to be that in conflicts against the United States, even after the USA attacks and invades another country, it cannot merely hold combatants against it as combatants, but insists that traditional resistance and combat tactics (throwing grenades at uniformed troops, for example) are now &quot;war crimes&quot;.

We won&#039;t even talk about the child soldier issue, or the question of why trying someone as allegedly important as KSM must be done in the jury-rigged (as it were!) military commissions, rather than in the transparent federal courts of the United States, which have certainly had no problem convicting terrorism suspects in the past, and even occasionally imposing death sentences.

But somebody is going to talk about this; quite probably the Supreme Court in &lt;i&gt;Boumediene&lt;/i&gt;, to hazard one guess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Andy; this is about as comprehensive a treatment as I have seen of this matter of &#8220;the new and improved&#8221; commissions.</p>
<p>A big question &#8212; and at least 4, maybe even 5 Supreme Court Justices get it after their <i>Hamdan</i> decision&#8211; is whether, regardless of the 2006 MCA Congressional rubber stamp, &#8220;military commissions&#8221; even <i>can</i> try persons for matters such as &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; or &#8220;providing material support to terrorists&#8221; which are not, and have never been recognized as, violations of the laws of war.  Military judges seem to wonder about that too (recall last year&#8217;s flap finding no such thing as &#8220;enemy combatants&#8221; and no determination of &#8220;unlawful enemy combatants&#8221;, only to be overruled by an improvised appeals panel.)</p>
<p>And of course, the new premise still seems to be that in conflicts against the United States, even after the USA attacks and invades another country, it cannot merely hold combatants against it as combatants, but insists that traditional resistance and combat tactics (throwing grenades at uniformed troops, for example) are now &#8220;war crimes&#8221;.</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t even talk about the child soldier issue, or the question of why trying someone as allegedly important as KSM must be done in the jury-rigged (as it were!) military commissions, rather than in the transparent federal courts of the United States, which have certainly had no problem convicting terrorism suspects in the past, and even occasionally imposing death sentences.</p>
<p>But somebody is going to talk about this; quite probably the Supreme Court in <i>Boumediene</i>, to hazard one guess&#8230;</p>
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